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no, I chose 9mm because of a reason other than the price of ammo or concealability. (please reply to this thread to explain) 244 63.54%
yes, but I can't afford anything except the 9mm rounds 25 6.51%
yes, but I can't (comfortably) conceal anything bigger. 34 8.85%
other (please reply to this thread to explain) 81 21.09%
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Old May 5th, 2008, 01:52 PM   #1
 
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Hi all,

I'm asking because I'm looking into buying a new handgun for carry. I'm a big guy, so I wouldn't have trouble concealing a larger gun. The only thing keeping me from getting the .45 is the price of the ammo, but I would rather not let money get in the way of self and family defense. I want to know is there any other reason to go with 9mm? I know the .45 puts bigger holes in the BG, and 9mm are just as deadly when accuracy is a moot point. The best question to ask you is:

If you carry a 9mm, do you ever wish it were a .45, or did you choose the 9mm round over the .45 (or other 'larger' rounds) for any particular reason?

For an objective response: accuracy is a moot point, concealability is a moot point, and personal opinion is a moot point. Thank you all for your time.
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Old May 5th, 2008, 01:57 PM   #2
 
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Originally Posted by tamworth' post='135970' date='May 5 2008, 03:52 PM
Hi all,

I'm asking because I'm looking into buying a new handgun for carry. I'm a big guy, so I wouldn't have trouble concealing a larger gun. The only thing keeping me from getting the .45 is the price of the ammo, but I would rather not let money get in the way of self and family defense. I want to know is there any other reason to go with 9mm? I know the .45 puts bigger holes in the BG, and 9mm are just as deadly when accuracy is a moot point. The best question to ask you is:

If you carry a 9mm, do you ever wish it were a .45, or did you choose the 9mm round over the .45 (or other 'larger' rounds) for any particular reason?

For an objective response: accuracy is a moot point, concealability is a moot point, and personal opinion is a moot point. Thank you all for your time.


I have a 9mm and a .40. I don't feel undergunned with the 9. Rather, the extra 5 shots I have in the 9 lends me to carrying it over the .40 most days. The .40 is a .40c and the 9 is a Beretta 92FS. If I can't conceal the Beretta, I go with the .40c.
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Old May 5th, 2008, 02:05 PM   #3
 
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I agree with the title of your post - either 9x19 or larger.



I can conceal just about anything, and I'm comfortable with anything from my 4" S&W M10 .38 Special up to my 4" M57 .41 Magnum, or my 9x19s, .40 S&W or .45 ACPs. The older and more experienced I get, the less I worry about bore size and the more I worry about my proficiency. Get training, practice, and maintain situational awareness; these are way more important IMO than bore diameter.
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Old May 5th, 2008, 02:09 PM   #4
 
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I bought a .40 becuase I couldn't decide between 9 and .45, therefore-- I split the difference with the .40 S&W.
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Old May 5th, 2008, 02:09 PM   #5
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Answer to poll question: No



Concealability is a non-issue; 9mm and .40-cal guns are identical in size for every brand I can think of.



Price of ammo is an issue, but not because "I can't afford anything but the 9mm rounds." Shooting 9mm means shooting more and practicing more for the same amount of money. If you can shoot 500 rounds of 9mm for what 400 rounds of .40 would cost you and 300 rounds of .45 would cost you, which is better?



I can shoot a 9mm faster and more accurately than a .40 or .45, too.



Finally, I'm 100% confident in the 9mm's ability to work in a self defense situation.
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I can shoot a 9mm faster and more accurately than a .40 or .45, too. Finally, I'm 100% confident in the 9mm's ability to work in a self defense situation.
Ditto for me on both of Todd's statements quoted.
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Old May 5th, 2008, 02:53 PM   #7
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+1 for Todd's answer and as David Bowie says "caliber is overrated".
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Old May 5th, 2008, 03:01 PM   #8
 
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+1 for Todd g's answer. Though the cost of 9mm ammo figures into it. I figure the more I shoot the more proficient I will become. I have a Gold cup 45, Dan Wesson 357, and model 29 44 mag. If I wanted more power and controllability I would use the 29 with 44 special loads. The Gold Cup needs work because it is biting the web of my thumb. For pure point ability the M&P hands down
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I am with ToddG on this one.

I simply can shoot faster and more accuratley with a 9x19 gun than a .40S&W or a .45ACP gun.

Same thing with a .38 vs .357 for me.
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...as David Bowie says "caliber is overrated".
Ummm...on which album? I didn't hear it on Ziggy Stardust.
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Old May 5th, 2008, 04:50 PM   #11
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Answer to poll question: No



Concealability is a non-issue; 9mm and .40-cal guns are identical in size for every brand I can think of.



Price of ammo is an issue, but not because "I can't afford anything but the 9mm rounds." Shooting 9mm means shooting more and practicing more for the same amount of money. If you can shoot 500 rounds of 9mm for what 400 rounds of .40 would cost you and 300 rounds of .45 would cost you, which is better?



I can shoot a 9mm faster and more accurately than a .40 or .45, too.



Finally, I'm 100% confident in the 9mm's ability to work in a self defense situation.


Do you use a standard, or +P load?
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Old May 5th, 2008, 05:07 PM   #12
 
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Cool, thought I'd be alone saying "no." So one day when I can carry concealed, a 9mm it'll be! lol Actually, I'll be sending in my Utah CCW app next month so in a few, I can drive to NV and CCW like a free man!
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I chose other, I will more than Likely get flogged for this but given my expeience I feel justified saying I would rather carry a 40 S&W or 357 Sig, currently I carry the 40. Why you may or may not ask, its well it goes something like this, the 40 is just short of 9mm velocity and way over the 45 ACP, the energ is more than the 9mm and under the 45 ACP, so its MO that you get the best of best worlds. Being in the Military Police Corp. I have seen the 9mm fail more than succeed, also how can you argue with the fact that the biggest majority of LEAs carry the 40 or 357 and not many carry the 9mm anymore. JMO ok let the flogging begin.
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Old May 5th, 2008, 05:26 PM   #14
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Originally Posted by revchuck' post='136031' date='May 5 2008, 05:36 PM
Ummm...on which album? I didn't hear it on Ziggy Stardust.


Nice! Different David Bowie altogether. For those that are not familiar:



http://www.bowietacticalconcepts.com/



As for the original post: I have carried 9mm, 40 S&W and 45 ACP on duty. Never felt under-gunned with any of them. I am transitioning to a 9mm for carry since I now have purchase my own ammo and the cost is eating into my food budget lately...
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Old May 5th, 2008, 05:33 PM   #15
 
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This vendor site, with some well-respected ammo, tells me I'm A-OK with my choice of 9mm for SD....



http://www.winchester.com/lawenforcement/f.../win_flash.html



Plug in the "T" variety of 9mm, 40 and 45 cal and you might be surprised...
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