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Old July 3rd, 2011, 07:35 PM   #1
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If you live in an Open Carry state do you Open Carry? The reason I'm curious is that I've been seeing a lot of buzz among people in open carry states, organizing and carrying open. Whether the cops or anyone else like it or not. Their primary argument for the debate and their organizing and asking people to open carry is that if they don't use their rights, they will lose their rights. Some also feel that the mere sight of a person carrying will persuade a "bad guy" to choose another victim. Make sense to me, but I don't know if you could back it up with facts or in theory only.

My personal answer is sometimes, especially in the woods and fishing remote streams and fishing. We have a growing "methlab" and criminal "growing" problem, and if I accidently get too close and a bad guy has bad intentions, I subscribe to the "choose another victim" theory. And around the ranges, and at my "office", my gun usually sits on the desk, unless I exit, then it goes with me.



EVEN IF YOU DON'T LIVE IN AN OPEN CARRY STATE - Your personal opinions and insights would be interesting to hear.



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I open carry in the woods and such but in and around town carry concealed I'm always worried the guy with the gun will be the bad guys first target depending on what he is determined to do but that's just my oppinion my 2 of my brothers open carry most of the time everywhere and they have ccw permits aswell that's their choice
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I open carry in the woods and such but in and around town carry concealed I'm always worried the guy with the gun will be the bad guys first target depending on what he is determined to do but that's just my oppinion my 2 of my brothers open carry most of the time everywhere and they have ccw permits aswell that's their choice
That's an interesting theory, just the opposite of what a lot of the Open Carry advocates will say. And the opposite of my own personal theory that the bad guy will choose you because you open carry, instead of passing you by when they see you with a firearm on your side. I've never considered that, really. I'll have to think about that one for a while. But interesting for sure.



One thing I didn't mention in my origional post, is even if you live in an open carry state, and exercise your right to open carry 100 percent of the time, you should really have a CCW permit also. Because if you don't, you're shirt comes out of your pants or something similar, you could go from open carry to felony gun charges.



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I live in Arizona and I support those that want to Open Carry but I don't do it unless I'm out hunting in the desert or something. It's MY BELIEF that:



- People should OC if they want

- OC makes many people uncomfortable and I'm not into that

- OC brings attention to oneself and I'm not into that

- OC MIGHT actually have the BG target you first in a crowd of people

- OC takes away the element of surprise

- I'd rather CCW ... which I do.



Though I see several people OC in Arizona, most will CCW because we can. So, given the choice, CCW seems to be the overwhelming of most people. Not saying it's right or wrong, just saying that most people make the choice to CCW.
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Old July 3rd, 2011, 08:41 PM   #5
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I agree, I have a ccw on the way. It should take about 90 days. I was open carrying until all of these thoughts came into my mind. It is ignorant to assume people will look at you as a deterant, you are not a police officer, you are a civilian with a pistol. Regardless of how much training you have, it is much more smart to conceal your pistol then to open carry IMO. Everyone will do as they please, and thats their right, it wont be me though. (90 days is a long time to wait)
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No open carry for me. I support those who do but I choose not to.
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Old July 4th, 2011, 06:41 AM   #7
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I OC in the woods and at the range. I prefer not to OC around town as part of my top three rules for avoiding trouble.

Rule number one, always be aware of my surroundings and the people in it.

Rule number two, try not to call attention to myself.

Rule number three, try to avoid situations before they become worse situations.
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I live in Arizona and I support those that want to Open Carry but I don't do it unless I'm out hunting in the desert or something. It's MY BELIEF that:



- People should OC if they want

- OC makes many people uncomfortable and I'm not into that

- OC brings attention to oneself and I'm not into that

- OC MIGHT actually have the BG target you first in a crowd of people

- OC takes away the element of surprise

- I'd rather CCW ... which I do.



Though I see several people OC in Arizona, most will CCW because we can. So, given the choice, CCW seems to be the overwhelming of most people. Not saying it's right or wrong, just saying that most people make the choice to CCW.


My sentiments exactly, except for the last three words, "which I do". I live in California and the state won't let me have the option.
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I OC in the woods and at the range. I prefer not to OC around town as part of my top three rules for avoiding trouble.

Rule number one, always be aware of my surroundings and the people in it.

Rule number two, try not to call attention to myself.

Rule number three, try to avoid situations before they become worse situations.


I agree. I prefer not drawing attention to myself and the element of surprise on my side if I do need it.
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I open carry everyday. One I haven't applied for my ccp yet. But there are several reasons I do so.



First, its my right. I should not be forced to "cover" up because of someone else's misplaced feelings. It's the same theory where every kid gets an award for last place. I'm not going to appease Joe blow because he is ignorant of firearms and thinks their bad and evil.



Second, its more comfortable to OC for me.



Third its easier to oc a full size then cc. This allows me to more comfortably carry the firearm I prefer to shoot. Which is my fullsize m&p 45.



Fourth, and this is really based on training more then anything, is speed of the draw.



Fifth, I do believe people think twice about acting like crazy a holes or comitting a crime of opportunity on a perceived helpless victim.



Lastly I have met some really great people while OCing, talked about firearms and laws and was able to educate some others.





Above all its a personal choice and you should carry how you prefer, but just always carry.



I support oc and cc, and is love to see it left to the people to decide for themselves rather then being allowed to do one or the other.
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I just started to do it sometimes. I think if you are allowed to do it, then we should as much as we can, while still staying in our comfort zone. the more we can condition people to seeing it, all the better in my opinion. I don't think it makes you a Target, I mean think about it, If you were the criminal looking to jack someone up oir rob them, are you going to choose the guy carrying a Pistol? I don't think so! At least if your a smart criminal you won't. Of course, "Stupid is as Stupid does"
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I live in Arizona and I support those that want to Open Carry but I don't do it unless I'm out hunting in the desert or something. It's MY BELIEF that:



- People should OC if they want

- OC makes many people uncomfortable and I'm not into that

- OC brings attention to oneself and I'm not into that

- OC MIGHT actually have the BG target you first in a crowd of people

- OC takes away the element of surprise

- I'd rather CCW ... which I do.



Though I see several people OC in Arizona, most will CCW because we can. So, given the choice, CCW seems to be the overwhelming of most people. Not saying it's right or wrong, just saying that most people make the choice to CCW.
You know what? I would have agreed with you, until I read all the posts, and different perspectives. Now I'm thinking the opposite.

ex: OC makes many people uncomfortable, and I'm not into that.

- I pretty much felt the same way. Then I started thinking "why". Because over the years less and less people have actually seen anyone OC. I don't want to "intimidate" anyone with a 1911 or whatever on my side. But, people who are uncomfortable with OC, well many of them are uncomfortable with the concept of the "armed citizen". And for many years those who were uncomfortable with the concept of an armed citizens, were the same ones who voted for anti-gun politicians, and began eroding our right to ownership more and more. Many people picture a citizen with a firearm, to be the typical "gang banger", or methed out redneck.

Maybe we should make them more comfortable with the sight of an armed citizen that only has the best of intentions? Maybe, I don't know but possible? Yes.

ex: OC brings unwanted attention. I felt that way also. I like to stay pretty low key, myself. But maybe, if more responsible citizens would begin OC, the attention might be the good kind. People may say, hey, there's J.Q. Public. He's always wearing a firearm, and I've known him for years, he's a great guy, and it kind of makes me and my family feel safer at our neighborhood picnic. He's trained, and knows when and when not to brandish a weapon. Possible? Again, I don't know, but again, possible? Yes, I suppose.

ex: It might make the bad guy target you first, in a crowd of people. This one doesn't make much sense to me at all. I would think if the bad guy values his life, he'd do like the animals in the wild. By pass the game that he has to put the effort and energy, with the possibility that the guy/girl with the gun putting a well placed hole in his head, and go for the weaker, easy prey. I could never actually prove this as fact, but it makes more sense to me. I could be wrong, but if I were a betting man, I'd say the bad guy is going to walk around me, and possibly 2 or 3 frinds who also might open carry, and go after the "easy" prey.

ex: takes away the element of suprise? I don't get this one at all. I don't conceal my weapon to "suprise" anyone. Bad guy, attacker, etc. I don't want them to be suprised, nor do I want to waste precious seconds suprising an adversary. I want the bad guy who may try to catch me off guard to know that I'm going to defend myself, life and loved ones without a bit of doubt. No suprise at all. I think that one goes back to will the bad guy go after me, with an open firearm, or wait for an easier target, and pass me by.



Someone mentioned, something to the effect of "Im not a cop". I'm not sure what the thinking is there, but with all due respect to LEO's who will put their lives on the line to protect the innocent and the weak, from "bad guys", I'm not going to sit around and wait for one to show up. And my second ammendment rights are not written for "Cops" or other government officials. The "Cop" response is totally inconsequential to me.



Anyway, I think all of the answers given so far are good ideas, even when they differ. Gives a person another perspective to consider.



So, will I open carry more? I don't really know, like I said responses to both sides of the issue have been intelligent and give me more food for thought, than agreement or disagreement. I do know this. KY is an Open Carry state and pretty much always has been. CCW permits are somewhat relevently new in comparison, and adds another layer of legislation, laws and impedence of my 2nd Amendment rights. I think if people don't use those rights (open carry), they'll lose them.



I can say this with 100% certainty, this thread had definetly given me a lot to think about, with all of the varying responses.



CatnPhx - I used your response because you pretty much touched on the most common responses that everyone touched on, in one thread, not singling you out, or even disagreeing with you, you just touched on most of the popular responses given and made it easier for me to get all of these ideas in one place.



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jbylake - quit picking on me man, LOL.



Seriously though, I could easily OC but the time is not right for me now. I'm a Sr. Level individual in a large organization and I'm not truly wanting to advise the fact that I carry a weapon. Again, that's just me at this current timeframe.



One thing I think we can all agree on is that it is definitely a personal decision and not a one-sized fits all answer. If the situation is right for you then I fully support your decision and I do appreciate the thought you are putting into it. Good luck!!
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jbylake - quit picking on me man, LOL.



Seriously though, I could easily OC but the time is not right for me now. I'm a Sr. Level individual in a large organization and I'm not truly wanting to advise the fact that I carry a weapon. Again, that's just me at this current timeframe.



One thing I think we can all agree on is that it is definitely a personal decision and not a one-sized fits all answer. If the situation is right for you then I fully support your decision and I do appreciate the thought you are putting into it. Good luck!!
Problem is Cat, that I thought I had the answers I needed. So I thought what the heck, I'll do a poll and get other's points of view. Every single one was really a valid point. After reading all the different points of view on the subject, I'm more confused about where I stand on the issue, than before I asked. The only thing that I know for sure, is if enough people don't open carry (in my state), well we might just lose that right.



I did hear rumor that some KY state legislators were considering dropping the application and CCW altogether, meaning that a CCW permit would no longer be required.



The reasons that I "heard" were a: Bad guy's carry concealed because they aren't going to advertise their weapon as in "look officer, I'm a well known felon, and I'm carrying open". I have never seen a show where a bunch of gang bang a$$hat's were carrying open in a holster, especially since most of them have enough prior's to disqualify them, and the rest aren't even old enough to carry a weapon.



Another version I heard, was the financial burden on people, who've aready had a background check ran when they bought the weapoon, and also the oversight of the quality of the "instructor". Seems like at least a few of these guy's are no more expert or qualified to teach, some of them were wankers working out of their barn, etc.



I've never been able to confirm this, so if anyone from KY happens to know if this is true or rumors, feel free to chime in with what you know about this, and if it's fact or fiction.



One last question. Do you think if I emailed Obama and asked really, really nicely, that he'd drop the whole ccw requirment altogether?



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i say its up to the persons preference to oc or ccw. i say theres a few pros and cons for both.. i say if u open carry and u dont have a ccw, u should try to get one. just think theres benefits for both ways of carrying. i ccw most of the time. i would oc depending on what im doing. like outdoors stuff. but think about this situation..u go with ur wife or gf to a fancy restaurant in nice cloths with a pistol slapped to ur side. i would think it would just draw to much attention to u. in those situations ccw has the advantage.
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