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Old May 10th, 2014, 03:13 PM   #1
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Need input for selecting a .223?

I'm trying to decide about getting a .223. What I need is some input from those who have various brands concerning what you like/don't like. Any advice on any brand/model (Colt, Rock River, DPMS, etc.) will be appreciated as I weigh the cost of such a rifle versus other guns. My uses would be for fun/plinking, possible varmints, and also to just have one . Thanks
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Old May 10th, 2014, 05:46 PM   #2
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This is an M&P forum, so I'll say first off that the M&P I have in 5.45X39 is one of the most accurate AR15's I own. About 2 MOA out to 300 yds. with that Russian surplus ammo. Never any reliability issues with the gun either. Had one dud early on but it was the round, not the rifle.

I've got them in 16" to 24" barrels. Lightweight to bull barrels.

If, if, I ever get another one it will be a SIG 516. I got a SIG 556R a couple years ago and it has been flawless and the clean up time/effort for a gas piston gun vs. the DI gun is unreal. I greased it with marine grade bearing grease (receiver rails/bolt/carrier) just after I got it and almost 2 years later that grease is still green in the receiver. No way the receiver/bolt of a DI gun stays that clean. Mine are nasty after a couple of magazines.

But the SIG 516 looks like a standard AR15, but has a similar gas piston operation so it should be an easy clean up on it as well.

Take a look at the SIGs.
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Old May 11th, 2014, 04:23 PM   #3
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In .223/556 I own a Colt LE 6940, 2 LMT CQB-MRP piston rifles, a Sig 516, and a DPMS that I bought strictly for use with my Slide Fire Stock. I also own a Rock River Elite Operator and a Sig 716 in 762/308, and last but not least an M&P 15-22. I prefer my LMT's, then my Colt, then my Sig, then my DPMS in that order. I prefer Piston Rifles over Direct Impingement Rifles as piston guns run cooler, cleaner and are easier to clean. I like the LMT as one can swap barrels and calibers very quickly. I have a 300 Blackout barrel to go with my LMT's. Out of the box, Colt and Sig probably have the highest quality finish. My LMT's both have the best fit and seem to be built a little better. Rock River has the best triggers in the mid priced rifles. LWRC, POF, Knights Armament, La Rue Tactical all build very good rifles also and they are pretty proud of them. One thing that I would get is a rifle that has a 1 in 7 twist rate if you are getting a 16 inch barrel as it will stabilize heavier projectiles such as the 77 grain match grade rounds. I would a Mil Spec rifle as you may inevitably change some things around. I have added Geissele triggers and oversized trigger guards to both of my LMT's.

Some folks say that direct impingement so guns are more accurate than piston rifles. I own both and cannot really tell much of a difference in my higher quality rifles. My DPMS shoots well for the first couple rounds and then is starts to walk a little. My LMT's and my Colt are right at 1 to 1.5 moa rifles in my old hands and would probably be much better in a better rifle mans hands. I have never gotten my DPMS to shoot better than 2.5 to 3 moa.

I would also buy a rifle chambered in 556. You can shoot 223's in a 556 but there are safety hazards to shooting 556's out of a rifle chambered for 223 as 556's are loaded to higher pressures.

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P.S. Daniel defense build a pretty good AR also. My list is by no means complete.
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Old May 13th, 2014, 06:40 PM   #5
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SCAR... If $$$ is no object. Shoots great, accurate, easy to clean, not much that needs to be upgraded and once you factor in what you will spend on upgrading an AR its really not going to cost you that much more.

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Old May 13th, 2014, 07:52 PM   #6
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I just picked up a sig m400 chambered in 556....that way I can soot 556 and 223. Got it at gander mountain for 1200 out the door... that's with their protection coverage for a year as well.....

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I've got literally thousands of rounds through my DPMS 5.56. I changed out the furniture (MagPul), and the trigger (JP Adjustable), and it has been flawless, and 1" capable (at 100yd) from day one. It's due for a new barrel, since I shot out the chamber in it shooting 6000-7000 rounds of russian steel cased ammo, but the new barrel is only $169 through DPMS.

If I were to start fresh, I'd look SERIOUSLY at the S&W MP-15 which already has the MagPul toys on it. They ALL need a better trigger... JP, Timney, Giselle, etc.

The "lower tier" ARs, shoot every bit as well as the expensive rifles today, and DPMS makes many of the parts put on more expensive guns! It you're taking it to war... take a top-tier weapon. If you're taking it to the local range... save your money on toys for it.

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I love my BCM. That being said, you can get a good performing gun for much less.

A friend just built an M4 clone from PSA parts (FN barrel & MPI/HPT BCG) for only $600 WITH a Strikefire red dot.

If you're wanting something more along the lines of a varmint rifle look for something chambered in .223 Wylde with a stainless free float barrel.

Ultimately anything you choose will be a compromise.
You need to figure out what the MAIN purpose is. A plinker can shoot varmints and a varmint rifle can plink but they are two very different guns.
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You could go to M4Carbine.net and by all means use "the orange search button" to research various brands. Otherwise there will be a race to see who can post " use tosh" first. What you will find is : Colt 6920, BCM, Daniel Defense, Noveske, KAC, LMT, and several other top tier brands. Don't mention Bushmaster, DPMS, or any other lower tier although popular brands unless you want 40 lashes with a wet noodle.
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Colt or BCM if it's your only AR15.
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Depends on what you want to do. For a plinker, any AR will do. If for hard use and utter reliability, I'd walk into my local WalMart and get a Colt 6920 for a little over $1000.00. With MOE furniture, around $1200.00. After that, DD, BCM, LMT, in no particular order, all military grade weapons. For more of a boutique, high end AR, and built above military grade quality, Noveske and KAC. To avoid the Federal Excise Tax, & sales tax, buy the upper, lower, BCG , sights, and Charging handle separately, and on the net.
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I have an M&P15 OR (optic ready) in .223/5.56 which I outfitted with Troy M4 battle sights. I love this firearm.

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In .223/556 I own a Colt LE 6940, 2 LMT CQB-MRP piston rifles, a Sig 516, and a DPMS that I bought strictly for use with my Slide Fire Stock. I also own a Rock River Elite Operator and a Sig 716 in 762/308, and last but not least an M&P 15-22. I prefer my LMT's, then my Colt, then my Sig, then my DPMS in that order. I prefer Piston Rifles over Direct Impingement Rifles as piston guns run cooler, cleaner and are easier to clean. I like the LMT as one can swap barrels and calibers very quickly. I have a 300 Blackout barrel to go with my LMT's. Out of the box, Colt and Sig probably have the highest quality finish. My LMT's both have the best fit and seem to be built a little better. Rock River has the best triggers in the mid priced rifles. LWRC, POF, Knights Armament, La Rue Tactical all build very good rifles also and they are pretty proud of them. One thing that I would get is a rifle that has a 1 in 7 twist rate if you are getting a 16 inch barrel as it will stabilize heavier projectiles such as the 77 grain match grade rounds. I would a Mil Spec rifle as you may inevitably change some things around. I have added Geissele triggers and oversized trigger guards to both of my LMT's.

Some folks say that direct impingement so guns are more accurate than piston rifles. I own both and cannot really tell much of a difference in my higher quality rifles. My DPMS shoots well for the first couple rounds and then is starts to walk a little. My LMT's and my Colt are right at 1 to 1.5 moa rifles in my old hands and would probably be much better in a better rifle mans hands. I have never gotten my DPMS to shoot better than 2.5 to 3 moa.

I would also buy a rifle chambered in 556. You can shoot 223's in a 556 but there are safety hazards to shooting 556's out of a rifle chambered for 223 as 556's are loaded to higher pressures.

http://gunfacts.webs.com/M4Chart1.gif

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Hope this helps.
My "crappy" 1 in 9 DPMS still shoots 1 MOA groups with any American manufacture ammo, even with a eroded throat from thousands of rounds of crappy steel cased Russian garbage in short-range matches.

I agree that the "Top-Tier" ARs are nice quality guns, and if I made my living with a gun in my hand... I'd own one. But I shi_ you not... my DPMS has had not ONE malfunction in 10's of thousands of rounds, after the FIRST magazine (a crappy steel DPMS mag that got tossed).

PS... My DPMS came with 90% of the features in "The Chart" that make for a top-tier gun... from DPMS. The Chart hasn't been unbiasedly updated in YEARS!

If you're buying a plinker... don't waste $1300 on a brand name when you can buy a great gun for $700.

Jeff

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Old June 4th, 2014, 09:54 AM   #14
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Jeff I agree about the chart. When I bought my DPMS, it was strictly for use with my SlideSlide Fire Stock. I get about the same accuracy that I do with my LMT's when not using the Slide Fire Stock, but after a few rounds, the groups start to open up. The barrels on my LMT are a lot thicker which is what I attribute the rounds after round accuracy to. And the OP does not have to Spend $1,300.00 to get a nice rifle. I bought the son in law to be a basic M-4 style rifle by Wyndam Weaponry at Walmart for a little under $900.00 out the door.
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I'll never buy another Olympic. Only had one, by far the worst AR I've ever tried to use.

I have bushmaster, armalite, dpms, rra, and a relatively new windham. Owned colt in the past but don't happen to have one now.

Any of the ones above - including the much-maligned DPMS - I've had enough positive use out of all of the above that I trust them implicitly with the exception of one that needs more frequent cleaning. Doesn't hurt anything as it's set up as a bench gun, and not really a defensive-oriented rifle anyway.
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