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Old November 27th, 2008, 06:37 PM   #1
 
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I'm ready to purchse a 12 gauge shotgun for home defense. I'm looking at the mossberg JIC but nobody has one in stock. If you know where to find one or have a suggestion on a better unit please post it here.
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Old November 27th, 2008, 07:11 PM   #2
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Saiga S12.



12 guage with AK type semi auto action, 10 rd magazine with larger capacity available, easily converted to use AK pistol grip and stock, lots of mods you can do, me want one.



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Old November 27th, 2008, 08:00 PM   #3
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I believe the JIC is a pistol grip only... In my experience I would not suggest a pistol grip in a shotgun due to inability to aim well and lack of recoil control. I had a M590A1 at one time and decided to sell it due to the weight and length. I felt it was a just too much for a quick, short range weapon and the ghost right sights were a little slow. I would suggest a simple 18.5" 590 without the heavy barrel and with just a bead sight or a Remington 870 Express (if you're not going to shoot it a lot) or an 870 Park Police if you'll be shooting it a lot.



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Old November 27th, 2008, 08:00 PM   #4
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It's a toss up between the Remington 870 and the Mossberg 590 or the home defense version of the Stoeger 2000. The Stoeger is essentually the old Benelli M1 Super 90 built by a sister company.





Remington 870





Mossberg 590





Mossberg 590 with sights and shell storage in the stock





Stoeger 2000 (defense version)
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Old November 27th, 2008, 10:45 PM   #5
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I love my mossberg 500a, 12 gauge, its got: 20" barrel for HD, 28" for field and trap shooting, 24" rifled with a scope for slugs. Great all around talent.
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I've got a Mossberg 590A1, and it's got a permanent home, but if I had it to do over again I'd go with the plain barrel versions of either the 590 or the Remington 870.
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Old November 28th, 2008, 12:27 PM   #7
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I purchased a saiga 12 about a month ago, its accurate as hell but it kicks like a mule... Has two gas chamber settings for hot and light loads. the mags hold only 5 rounds but there are 8's and 10's on the market, even a 20 round drum (Very hard to get nowadays). Mine has fed everything and anything ive put through it. Plus i love the fact that its a built to last ak47 platform.



As a secondary i would recommend a mossberg 500 persuader. but in all honestly they are both completely different animals.
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Old November 28th, 2008, 01:16 PM   #8
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No question....



Remington surpassed 1 BILLION 870s made this year, and still counting. The best of the 870s is the original Wingmaster with all steel components, but the new Express models are very good. Better built than a Mossburg, and a few dollars more. GOOD used 870s are everywhere under $300.



Mine is a 3" magnum with flat finished oiled-oak stocks, but for home defense, 2 3/4" reduced recoil 00-Buck is the best.



I have 4 barrels for my 870, including a 18.5" Cylinder choke, a 24" multi-choke, a 30" full choke "turkey" barrel, and a "One of 20 Made" 20-inch full-choke barrel with rifle sights, tested (and passed on) by the NY State Troopers in the late 80's.



This gun was handed down to me by my Dad, and was bought before I was born. It's around 40 years old. It doesn't have a spot of rust, it shoots fantasticly, and it's been through hell and back in duck blinds in 30 degree freezing rain storms and mud, and grime... All I've added is a Scatter-Gun Tech +2 mag extension.



1 Billion 870s can't be wrong... Best of the best.



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Old November 28th, 2008, 03:43 PM   #9
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If the 870 is "better built" than a Mossberg why are the Marines buying Mossberg 590s instead of 870s?
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Originally Posted by sholling' post='173756' date='Nov 28 2008, 03:43 PM
If the 870 is "better built" than a Mossberg why are the Marines buying Mossberg 590s instead of 870s?


Typical .gov move, probably has more to do with the price than quality. Remember, just because .mil guys are using it doesn't mean it's the best thing. Food for thought.



To the OP....different strokes for different folks. Depends what you want, pump, semi, double barrel, etc. Find one that you like and that you can shoot well. With that, you can't go wrong with an 870. Solid, well made, TONS of aftermarket parts available so you can configure it however you want it.
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Originally Posted by sholling' post='173756' date='Nov 28 2008, 06:43 PM
If the 870 is "better built" than a Mossberg why are the Marines buying Mossberg 590s instead of 870s?
My understanding is that the 590 is drop-safe, while the 870 isn't. That, and the barrel can be used as a tanker bar in a pinch.
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Saiga 12 with a short barrel -retains full 10/20 rounds capacity no matter how short it is unlike the pump action shotguns.
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Old November 30th, 2008, 09:17 AM   #13
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Originally Posted by han_cholo' post='173874' date='Nov 30 2008, 01:18 AM
Typical .gov move, probably has more to do with the price than quality. Remember, just because .mil guys are using it doesn't mean it's the best thing.
DOD spares NO expense on weapons. I keep a Benelli M1 S90 by my bed but quite frankly if I were to choose pump for home defense it would be the Mossy 590 with sights. There are a few more foo-foos available for the 870 just because it's been around forever but the military replaced the 870 with the Mossy for reasons other than cost. Perhaps you were thinking of the entry priced (but still quite good) Mossy 500...



Moving on to Saiga... Not a bad defensive shotgun but for my needs I'm not in love with box magazine fed shotguns. They look ticticool but to me lack flexibility. For example a Saiga shooter has to wait until they run dry to reload, while the more conventional design allows for continual topping off. Not a put down of the Saiga, just a tactical consideration. I also like to have a mix of shells to give me options. 2x#4 up first followed by 6x00 buck, with 5 slugs on the stock for openers. A single slug can then be added anywhere in the mix at at anytime if I need barrier penetration. Plus I keep a bandoleer of 25x00 buck and another of 340gr 1610fps Hydra-Shok slugs handy. And I think I can probably Poncho Via those two bandoleers a whole lot faster than you can find pockets in your jammies for 5 x 10rd 12ga magazines.
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With a 20 round drum, the fight will be over long before one needs to reload their Saiga...
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Got my remington 1100 sent off to Mike at accurate iron for a little duracoat finish. Gonna have a 21" barrel, side saddle, some hi-viz fiber optic sights, and maybe a flashlight. Haven't decided on the light yet. I hope it will be reliable with 00 buck, because it doesn't like low brass shells. Hopefully this will be my defense shotgun, depending on reliabilty of course.
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