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This is a discussion on shotgun or AR ...waiting on tax returns within the Shotguns forums, part of the Armory category; Originally Posted by Big_Grumpy' post='246643' date='Mar 11 2010, 08:43 AM But... you're spewing numbers, and you're obviously in school. Good for you! Ok. How can ...


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Old March 11th, 2010, 09:29 AM   #31
 
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But... you're spewing numbers, and you're obviously in school. Good for you!



Ok. How can I put it? We're talking home defense initially, right? Visualize a "T" hallway layout. Bad guy enters from the left of the horizontal. You're at the base of the vertical. Bedrooms are atop of the horizontal. Would you rather risk a spastic shot or 6 trying to pin them, or put the target down in one grouped shot?



Say the vertical is 15'. With a simple improved cylinder bore, as my 870 has... I would think I could easily land 9 pellets in a bad guy UNDER DURESS ending the threat much quicker, safer and easier than someone spraying with an AR. If the bad guy tries to bum rush me... all the better. I realize it's totally subjective... but that's how I look at it.





EDIT (again... I ain't too eloquent)... You imply that you own a shotgun, but have you fully explored it's capabilities"? Cripes... look what rounds of 000 3" does at about 15'. Do you think someones gonna fight back after that?



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wxv66kcR_SY


Any HD situation I would take my 870 over just about anything. As for exploring what my 870 can do, I can't say that I have. I have taken it out a few times, but with the price of ammo and being a student something has to give. I'll probably do some real testing on it over the summer, but until then I can really only wonder.
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Old March 11th, 2010, 09:31 AM   #32
 
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Do your reading folks.... before you spout off.



www.theboxotruth.com



AR vs 12G 00-Buck, Wall Penetration Test



http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot14_4.htm


Not sure who this was meant for?



That's with M193...



Range ammo as far as I'm concerned.



75gr TAP is what I keep loaded...Only because I'm snooty though.



I'll dig up some links to the FBI testing(mentioned earlier) when I get the chance...
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Old March 11th, 2010, 09:53 AM   #33
 
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"Run from the facts"?







It would seem(at least up to this point) us "snooty AR koolaid drinkers" have only needed to "run" from others hurt feelings,insults,and cute little poems.




Sorry about the name calling. I do have respect for the coyote rifles, though. And a HUGE respect for the price tag.



As far as poems I dunno what you're talking about , except... yes, a properly deployed 870 IS poetry in motion.
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Old March 11th, 2010, 11:11 AM   #34
 
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Sorry about the name calling.


No worries.



Internet + thin skin =





An interesting thread with quotes from Dr Roberts and the guy from the "Box O Truth" discussing the "discrepencies"(or lack of them) between his self described "fun tests" and the scientific testing done by the FBI and others.



Here.



I'm still looking (casually) for something closer to the source material.I had alot of other stuff saved on my old PC before it went tits up.
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Old March 11th, 2010, 11:17 AM   #35
 
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No worries.



Internet + thin skin =


Well it was more of a thing.



But I took a breath and realized that you can't convince someone that something's better when they have their own mindset.



So it's all good.
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Old March 11th, 2010, 11:22 AM   #36
 
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More on several of the topics being discussed...



Here
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Old March 11th, 2010, 11:30 AM   #37
 
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But I took a breath and realized that you can't convince someone that something's better when they have their own mindset.
Pot, meet kettle.
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Old March 11th, 2010, 02:50 PM   #38
 
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Everyone has their own preference for tools. No reason for any side to get sandy vag. I choose the AR platform as my primary HD weapon for capacity, compactness, and because I shoot it well. I reload my AR significantly faster than my 870 (but I'm getting better with the 870). I am confident in the ballistics of 70+gr HP rounds to stop one or multiple intruders. My girlfriend also prefers my AR to my 870 and it is extremely important to me for her to be able to defend herself in my home.
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Old March 13th, 2010, 09:24 AM   #39
 
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get a rifle based shotgun, S12
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Old March 13th, 2010, 07:44 PM   #40
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AR, you might look at doublestar brand, I have seen some locally go pretty cheap



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ive been debating this as i await my tax returns.....i was dead set on getting a shotgun (remington 870/mossberg 500), but started looking at some ar's at the local gun shop.....any thoughts on which you would buy first? it looks like it will be one or the other (tax gods willing) . obviously cost-wise, the shotgun has an edge. I know nobody can make the decision for me, but maybe there are some things im not considering thanks guys!
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Old March 14th, 2010, 07:38 AM   #41
 
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AR, you might look at doublestar brand, I have seen some locally go pretty cheap
You are right, cheap - that would be the operative word.
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Old March 14th, 2010, 09:47 AM   #42
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For home defense, shotgun all the way. You'll then have left over money to practice with, buy professional training.
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Old March 15th, 2010, 12:59 PM   #43
 
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went with the shotgun...will post some pictures later this week
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Old March 15th, 2010, 02:47 PM   #44
 
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I went with a Remington 870, 18" barrel for home defense.
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Old March 15th, 2010, 04:51 PM   #45
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I'm looking really hard at a 18.5" Remington 870 Express Tactical with a standard stock and mag extension.
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