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Old September 21st, 2012, 01:47 PM   #16
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I'd have a hard time leaving the AR behind... but I think I'd scavenge more 9mm and 22LR ammo along the way in a long-term survival situation.
Who says you have to?? Just get a 22LR conversion kit and take the AR with you...
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Old September 21st, 2012, 02:20 PM   #17
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Police, military, private sector, gun nuts, SHTF freaks, and more usually have .223/5.56. I wouldn't leave the AR behind or worry about immediately getting a .22 conversion (but it is a good idea). They're rugged, despite what critics say, and could be broken in half and thrown in just about any bag. If I ever run out of 5.56, I'll still break it down and take some attachments off to make it lighter as I throw it in my duffle. But these arguments could go on forever...
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Old September 21st, 2012, 04:16 PM   #18
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Good topic, Jeff. For me it's .22LR, 9mm, .45, 5.56/.223, .308. I don't agree about .40 over .45 due to the love affair Americans have with the 1911. This pistol will be on my hip, with my M&P as my back up.


You have an AR, make damn sure it has a 5.56 barrel, so you can shot both 5.56 & .223. You don't have a 5.56 barrel, get one. Don't have an AR? What are you, nuts? Also get a .22 conversion kit for it. That way you can carry one rifle that shoots 2 types of rounds. 2 mags for .22, 6 for 5.56/.223 {180 rounds}. Rather have it & not need it type of deal. 3 to 6 for pistol on the belt or chest & as many as you can carry in your backpack without restricting other essentials. I'm going to convert my M&P to a 9mm due to it being more popular than .40.
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Old September 22nd, 2012, 07:21 PM   #19
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That's what I've been saying for years.

Also, having 357 and 9mm barrels that fit your M&P40 will go a long way toward alleviating the drawback you mentioned.
Yep...have all 3 for just that purpose.

Also have guns in .45, .38spl, .32, 22lr, and 12ga.

5.56/.223 is my next purchase.

Was also thinking adding 20ga.

I don't shoot the M&P in .357sig or 9mm very often (prefer the .40) but it doesn't hurt to have options.
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Old December 27th, 2012, 07:32 AM   #20
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I'm not a gambler at heart, and don't plan on 'finding' ammunition if ever in a "Postman' type situation. So I make a point of having a bunch of ammunition and magazines on hand for all the calibers I shoot; and reloading components on hand for almost all those same calibers. (A few calibers I don't reload, like 9x18 & .380 acp) In that kind of situation, it means perhaps never finding/obtaining any more.

But I figure an Argentina situation is a lot more likely, so that changes things. Things will exist, but they may be crazy expensive, or overly-regulated - witness the magazine craziness now ongoing here. In that case, it means having enough on hand to weather any storms until either the market regains sanity, or at least until you can manage to catch a shipment of what you need. That may be weeks or years; but not "never".

My solution to both is simply to have a bunch and be able to reload most of it if need be. I do shoot 'too many' calibers, but some of them are largely entertainment (ie, .454 casull) and some of them are never used for entertainment (9x18, 32acp, etc). The entertainment-only calibers, I reload for and have components to do so for a long time. The zero-entertainment-use calibers, I simply stock more than I rationally think I'll "need" in real use. In some calibers like .32acp, that's really only a few hundred.

Other calibers are both entertainment and 'serious' use. These are the more mainstream ones - 9mm, .45acp, 45LC, .38/.357, etc - and those I take both approaches; have a bunch on hand, reload them now, and be able to reload them for a long time.

The one genuine oddball is .22LR; since it's for entertainment use, hunting use, training use and potentially for 'serious' use as well, and it CAN'T be reloaded; at least not easily by a guy at home. So that, I stock a lot of; more than most any centerfire caliber.
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Old December 27th, 2012, 01:08 PM   #21
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PS...

I'm now all 40's, and my KelTec .380. Conversion barrel for my 4.25" 40 on the way. This gives me capacity to shoot 40, 357 Sig, 9mm, and .380 in a pinch. From the same gun. Just a barrel swap, with 2 spare 9mm mags.

With my 5.56 SBR, and a 18" 870 12-Gauge, and a Ruger 10/22... I'm all set for long-term bug-in, defense, hunting, and scavenging.

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Old December 27th, 2012, 02:52 PM   #22
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.40 cal, 30-06, and 12 gauge will do me just fine.

I think I might add .22 for a squirrel gun.
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Old December 30th, 2012, 09:26 PM   #23
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If it is still commonly available after 20 years recently(since 1992)it will still be somewhat common in an apocalyptic-related scenario, even to a point of localized production of ammunition.
Therefore:
CALIBERS:
.22 long rifle(1903)
.22 WMR(1959)
.30-30 Winchester(1902)
8mm Mauser(1888)
7mm Mauser(1893)
.44 special(1907)
.38 Special(1899)
9mm parabellum(Luger)(1904).
.45 acp(1905)
.30-06(1906)
.270 Winchester(1925).
.357 magnum(1935)
.30 carbine(1941)
.303 British(1888)
7.62x54mm(1891)
.308(1954)
.243(1955)
.380 acp(1910)
.223(1958)
.44 magnum(1955)
7.62x39mm M43(1943)
5.45x39mm(1974)

Don't forget to stop up on cleaning kits and magazines.
Good guns:
CZ-75
SKS
XD
1911
AK47
SIG 556
Gas piston AR-15
Mini-14
M1A
SAiga
FAL
Ruger GP-100
Ruger Redhawk
Lee-Enfield
Rossi 1892
Marlin 1894
Winchester 1894
Mauser
Moisin Nagant
Among others...

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Old December 31st, 2012, 07:38 AM   #24
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.22LR is my only caliber. My 10/22's are sighted in. My MP22 can be silenced. Ammo is cheap. Stopping power vs consistent accuracy is good. Both are extremely reliable. I wouldn't mind a more high power rifle, but if SHTF in my part of the woods, I would rather be a ninja than running around with 50 lbs of weaponry.
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Old December 31st, 2012, 11:55 AM   #25
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If you reload, stock up on components. You will have less money invested for the total number of rounds you can produce.
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Old December 31st, 2012, 12:25 PM   #26
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Though I'm still working on acquiring some of this list, for pistols I'm focusing on:

9mm for my M&P 9c and hopefully full size later on
.357/.38 (wishlist)
.45 for my 1911 and hopefully a .45 M&P down the road
Probably a 22 pistol eventually (wishlist)

For rifle:

22 (wishlist)
223/556 for my AR
possibly 308/7.62 NATO

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Old January 1st, 2013, 08:53 AM   #27
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If you're a Walking Dead fan, I'd have to say Darryl is doing the best when it comes to ammo, reusing his crossbow bolts ... I believe he's only lost one or two in all the seasons thus far!

Gotta hand it to reusable "ammo", right?! :P
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Old January 1st, 2013, 09:24 AM   #28
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I run 45 ACP primarily because I got hot and heavy into it thinking it was the 'best' choice for self defense and I found out that I shoot a 1911 better than anything I've tried so far, plus its the most concealable pistol I've ever tried to carry on a daily basis.

I also have a 9mm M&P, a .38 special S&W snubby, a rife in 5.56, a .22lr, 12 gauge shotgun, and a 50 cal muzzleloader.

If I HAD to bug out, and take just one gun, I'd go with my Kimber Custom II 45acp and quite a few magazines...Because I can stash it IWB and stay low profile... If I could bring a second gun, I'd probably add my AR-15 with its CMMG .22lr Conversion kit...

You can stash an awful lot of .22LR round for round compared to anything else.
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Old January 1st, 2013, 09:01 PM   #29
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Lots of reloading supplies first for the important calibers. But if you don't reload then I agree 100% with having a 40/357 SIG with a 9mm conversion barrel or complete slide. I have that exact setup with a SIG P226. My M&P's are either just .40 or 9mm and a 22lr. I have an AR with a 22 lr conversion. Works well.

I once read an article where an argument was made that a 357 mag was the one best handgun to have in a survival situation. But that was based on being in a country environment where hunting would be the primary use and self defense secondary. There is some good reasoning there with being able to handload light to heavy loads for taking small game to deer sized game, as well as being a man stopper when needed. But for an urban environment. Probably not the best choice.
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Old January 2nd, 2013, 04:05 AM   #30
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.22LR is my only caliber. My 10/22's are sighted in. My MP22 can be silenced. Ammo is cheap. Stopping power vs consistent accuracy is good. Both are extremely reliable. I wouldn't mind a more high power rifle, but if SHTF in my part of the woods, I would rather be a ninja than running around with 50 lbs of weaponry.
Please clarify your statement about the "stopping power" of a 22LR.

I would never question the accuracy, but unless you can consistently shoot moving eye-sockets, you are horribly mistaken in terms of "stopping power".

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