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Old September 10th, 2012, 04:53 AM   #1
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Who here is into tiny houses? Has anyone thought about having a bugout house on wheels? I have been in the process of downsizing my life anyway, why not take it further.

I've been in the process of doing research and designing one that I may end up making into a permanent residence. I've had a great deal of interest of having a place where I could have a cabin to get away to since I was little. But I got really interested after staying in a few park model homes when I went fishing for steel head in NorCal.

The image below is a variant of my design in progress. I'm going to include every nail and screw in the drawing so I can account for the total weight and cost before I build.



I'm using SketchUP, because I'm not going to buy another copy of AutoCAD, I just can't afford to do that anymore and the old versions I have the install media for are lost or damaged. I need to figure out how to get my SketchUP files Blender so I can do some photo-realistic renders.

I started up a Tiny House forum just last month, I'm not aiming to make a cent doing it, it isn't a product so much as it is a free service for those interested, so I'll put in a link.

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Old September 10th, 2012, 05:19 AM   #2
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Jason, that looks pretty good to me. I like it. Cedar shake siding looks like what you are shooting for. Nice.

Any idea yet (roughly), what the cost of materials will be at this point? In my neck of the woods we have a small Mennonite population, and they build and distribute outbuildings, including one with a porch and two entry/exit points. Overhead storage would allow for adapting as a loft/sleeping area. Not entirely ideal for a mobile cabin, but could be made so I would think. They are...pricey, though.

I don't have the construction knowledge to build one myself, so I've looked at them with more than a passing interest. For my needs I think they would be ideal set up as a small permanent hunting cabin, since adding insulation, vinyl flooring and a stovepipe vent would be relatively inexpensive. Your design would definitely meet the requirements.

Good idea and design. Updates please, as your project progresses...
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Old September 10th, 2012, 07:01 PM   #3
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Here are some more images of that particular design with one variant. The frame is 8' x 24' The finished height will be under 13'5" so I can still tow without a permit.

Postimage.org / gallery - Trailer Frame, Frame Deck, Deck Subfloor, Wall Frame, Wall Frame with lofts


I might go with shake siding, then again I'm not certain.

As for cost, I have not finished my spreadsheet calculator yet. I'm sure it is going to cost me more than other people's work; I'm planning to employ some materials and systems that go above and beyond the norm so it is going to cost me more. I just don't want to ever have to fix a thing after I build it. I plan to do all the work myself, including making the trailer. I plan to pay structural engineer take to check my design especially if I make my work into plans I could sell.

There are freely available plans out there for obviously less involved designs. I would not be afraid to consider building your own; there are a few young women who had never touched a hammer or saw in their lives building their very own tiny homes, so I think anyone who is able bodied could DIY with enough reading and maybe a little help from friends.

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I'll try to post about it more here as I work on it, but please feel free to join my forum that I linked above.

Most people build these tiny houses just like a traditionally frame house, just smaller, I've heard of folks putting them together for under $10k. I think with all of the off the grid tech I plan to employ I certainly will be spending more.
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My bug-out house floats...

Buying it in Jan/Feb... Bottom of the market.

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My bug-out house floats...

Buying it in Jan/Feb... Bottom of the market.

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That is certainly another way to do it.
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Kevin Costner made a movie about that, named it Waterworld.
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Kevin Costner made a movie about that, named it Waterworld.
I bet Jeff does not have those handy Costner fish-man gills. As I recall nor does he let his hair grow out like Costner did in that film.

Somehow I picture Jeff afloat like a migrant from just to the South of Florida, put him through a few wet/dry cycles in the SoFlo sun and he'll smell and look just like a migrant.

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When you get that trailer frame would be a perfect time to install a few compartments (water proof or not) that can be accessed through the floor and maybe one or two that drop the door down on the outside of your mini home. You never know what you can store in hidden compartments and might come in handy when no one is expecting you to have it. Things in floors go unnoticed allot of the time.
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Why not just convert a horse trailer. You have the strength and arodynamics. What I'd be worried the most about on a "Tow build" style is all the twisting and how it would hold up is storms & bad weather strength wise. Good concept though. I have a couple single friends that built small "A" frame's out in the sticks.
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I'm using SketchUP, because I'm not going to buy another copy of AutoCAD, I just can't afford to do that anymore and the old versions I have the install media for are lost or damaged. I need to figure out how to get my SketchUP files Blender so I can do some photo-realistic renders.

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Jason what version of Autocad are you needing? I have the digital downloads or old media for most of the past programs. I am an Architect and we use sketch up for almost all our modeling. We don't really use Autocad for modeling. Sketch up has a lot of plugin for better renderings. I'll check at the office which ones we are using. I would even offier to run your model thru my system.

I have designed a few camp/hunting shacks for fun. Everything from securing over the off months to minimizing the footprint / square footage.
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When you get that trailer frame would be a perfect time to install a few compartments (water proof or not) that can be accessed through the floor and maybe one or two that drop the door down on the outside of your mini home. You never know what you can store in hidden compartments and might come in handy when no one is expecting you to have it. Things in floors go unnoticed allot of the time.
It has been a consideration. Considering where I park the thing I could have a root cellar or bunker of some kind below the tiny house. Something like a buried shipping container perhaps at least not in some place where it would get too wet and heave out of the ground.

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Why not just convert a horse trailer. You have the strength and arodynamics. What I'd be worried the most about on a "Tow build" style is all the twisting and how it would hold up is storms & bad weather strength wise. Good concept though. I have a couple single friends that built small "A" frame's out in the sticks.
A horse trailer, I could make one into a tiny house, but I don't think it will be what I want.

My main design, I'm over designing it. I'm pretty much set on making the trailer rated for 15,000#s. The whole frame work including the trailer with the subfloor is already over 8000 pounds, I made a spreadsheet; I used the specific gravity of each material, took the volumes from the parts in the design to get my numbers. I will use two 7500# Dexter Torflex axles. I have not added on the weight of the axles, suspension and wheels yet. The drawing does not yet account for the wheel wells; I need to contact Dexter for some CAD drawing of their product, so I can work in their -10 degree axles.

The main portion of the frame is C6 13# (runners, ends and tongue) with C3 cross memberc 24" on center. The way I have it laid out the main portion of the 2x8 floor Frame will be within the trailer frame @ 24" OC alternating 12" OC from the pieces of C3. The 2x8 runners will be bolted 12" OC to the trailer frame on both sides. The joists will be have brackets from Simpson Strong tie securing those to the runners. The subfloor I have selected will be 1-1/8" AdvanTech, it's overkill an 8'x24' 24" OC floor, I could lay tile and not worry about putting down any underlayment. The AdvanTech will add considerable strength to the diaphram of the floor. I'll still have an engineer look at my work before I build. the rest of the house frame will be built like it were made for the strongest wind and seismic zones.

I don't really plan to move it around too much, having it on a trailer avoids, permits and such. In reality I could take it out of legal non-permit width and leave it sit.

I plan to weld up the trailer myself, it will save me a lot of clams. If I just up and build the trailer with subfloor, I will give the corners of the frame the jump test before I precede onto the walls. I could still do some diagonal bracing between corners on the bottom if it needed it.

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Jason what version of Autocad are you needing? I have the digital downloads or old media for most of the past programs. I am an Architect and we use sketch up for almost all our modeling. We don't really use Autocad for modeling. Sketch up has a lot of plugin for better renderings. I'll check at the office which ones we are using. I would even offier to run your model thru my system.

I have designed a few camp/hunting shacks for fun. Everything from securing over the off months to minimizing the footprint / square footage.
I'd love to be able to relive my Autocad R10-R13 days, R13 was the first copy I bought as a student in high school. I actually prefer the DOS version to the Windows 3 version. Darn dog chewed up the CDROM. I had a hand me down copy of 2004 the license was being retired. I lost the key in a drive failure because I didn't write it down.

You really don't have to give me a hook up on Autocad, I just miss some of the features I'm so used to with it. I should get a license of SketchUp Pro, I would really love to have the solid modeling tools.

As for rendering I was considering SU Podium V2. I won't even try the demo on this loaner laptop I'm on right now, it's too weak. I'm out of state without my own PCs. When I get home I'll try out the SU Podium V2 Demo, it's limited to 30 days, if I like it I might pony up for the full version. I'm not in need of quality rendering, but it would just be fun to play with.

You should make those shacks you've drawn into workable plans, then sell them. You could give this guy a run for his money.
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Wookie come hang out at my forums, show us some images of your shack designs. I'd love to get some industry professionals such as yourself into the community. I won't be looking to squeeze anything out of you or anyone else. If you join, contribute however you feel led to. Maybe you can offer some SketchUp tips and suggestions.

I'm a bit anal on my work, I even take the time to model up Simpson Strong Ties for my designs. Simpson's CAD files are junk and difficult to work from, I swear they had a retarded baby make their DWG files. It would be easier to have each tie in my hand with some calipers to make my models.

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Postimage.org / gallery - 8x16ft Advanced Frame Tiny, 8x16ft Advanced Frame Tiny 2, 8x16ft Advanced Frame Tiny w dormers 2
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I bet Jeff does not have those handy Costner fish-man gills. As I recall nor does he let his hair grow out like Costner did in that film.

Somehow I picture Jeff afloat like a migrant from just to the South of Florida, put him through a few wet/dry cycles in the SoFlo sun and he'll smell and look just like a migrant.

La migra!!!




I was thinking something more along the line of this...



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I was thinking something more along the line of this...
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You may want something more defendable like an in ground structure. A nice concrete bunker is always good, doubles as a storm shelter. Walls are protected by dirt and is not easily vandalized.

Personally, I have a stocked 12' popup camper sitting right outside in case the main structure fails. Then it is only about an hour drive to the farm with a permanent structure there.

The portable buildings are a good idea also. A 12' x 14' one runs around $2000 here, you can plumb them, insulate and finish the walls, add a little stove and you have a nice cheap cabin. I have seen some in use in a few areas as weekend homes and fishing cabins. You would need to anchor them down as they tend to roll around in a wind storm.
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Do you have any food, water and other provisions in the 15,000 pound weight?
What tow vehicle are you planning to use?

The 28 ft 5th wheel setup I used while building my mountain home weighed quite a bit less than 15K. If memory serves it's GVW was under 10K and was all I cared to pull with my F250.
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