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Old January 3rd, 2013, 04:27 PM   #16
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So why did you bother participating?
Sorry. Didn't mean to rain on your parade. Carry on....
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Old January 3rd, 2013, 05:00 PM   #17
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The problem in America today is that we allow ourselves to be distracted by the shiny baubles of "politics." We focus on issues like gay marriage, and ignore the important issues like our National Debt. Until we are smart enough to realize that we are being duped by our elected officials who direct our attention to distractions, we will not be smart enough to hold them accountable for the important stuff like a balanced budget. I believe that 85% of Americans realize that we are being led astray . I believe that 85% of us have the same core values. We want to be free to live our lives as we see fit, without infringing on the rights of others. I pray that should a "civil war" occur, it would be because the 85% of common sense Americans agree that we can ignore the distractions and demand that we have responsible leadership that is there to serve the people, and not believe that the people should serve them.
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Old January 3rd, 2013, 05:17 PM   #18
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I pray that should a "civil war" occur, it would be because the 85% of common sense Americans agree that we can ignore the distractions and demand that we have responsible leadership that is there to serve the people, and not believe that the people should serve them.
It would really be a revolutionary war.

Over taxation without representation. Failure to create a budget that brings the country into a fiscal positive instead of deficit. Failure to lead according to the Constitution is a biggie too. Class warfare is really out of hand. 47 percent of the USA does not pay into the Federal Taxation System.

The Congress of the United States has held the poorest ratings in the last few years. They have failed to create a budget and get things back in line fiscally. They take more and more of our money and give it away on frivilous things, most out of the USA. Charity is fine, as long as we have solved our fiscal problems. But when we have 16 trillion in debt, no other country should be receiving any handouts.

But the little things are what the media likes to exploit to get the most distraction.
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It is my opinion that the next revolution will not be a war at all. I think it will come from an individual state, say Alaska, that tells the federal government that they will no longer enforce federal regulations or laws that are deemed detrimental to Alaska citizens. It could be firearm laws such as Feinstein’s proposed assault weapons ban, Obamacare, or something like drilling for oil were the feds prohibit it now. Once one state does this, more will follow suit quickly. States like Texas, Arizona, Montana, Wyoming, etc.

How would the feds respond? They would be kind of limited on what they could do. Send in the military? Any politician that declares martial law and sends military troops to engage peaceful states would be committing political suicide, not to mention the military is full of Americans who would oppose such a move and may well refuse such orders. The most likely scenario would be negotiations which would include a stronger understanding of the constitution. After all, the biggest threat to the governments power is a people that believe that they can actually change the government.

Keep in mind that my opinions are free, and probably are not worth the cost.
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many people refered to this group, I figured I'd make a link for those who don't know about them:

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We in the natl guard have had this discussion many times the last year or so. We all came to the general agreement that if indeed they were unlawful/unconstitutional orders came down we would no doubt go home and protect our families. This was among NCO's mind you, no officers were within earshot. Seems as though officers always try to "reason" with such stuff. NCO's are more cut to the chase, yes/no, black/white. And no, we weren't bad mouthing our chain of command. But simply going over scenarios.
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We in the natl guard have had this discussion many times the last year or so. We all came to the general agreement that if indeed they were unlawful/unconstitutional orders came down we would no doubt go home and protect our families.
I agree

I once heard an NCO remark that the best thing about officers who spend all their time bucking for promotion and position is that they stay out of the way so NCOs can conduct the unit's business. Seem to be a very accurate statement.

An officer is nothing without a unit, so if TSHTF in this country, in all likelihood officers will be inconsequential as NCOs as you pointed out will answer a higher calling then the orders of some officer bucking for promotion.

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Absent mass uprisings in multiple places no "war" will ever happen. Here's how I see it playing out....

Group X starts holding meetings, saying things like "they'll take our guns over our dead bodies" or "I won't pay taxes to our communist government" or what ever right wing wacko refrain they want. The government will largely ignore them.

Leaders of group x call for more and more "peaceful" resistance and the group will slowly start to engage in small scale crime like trespass, theft, drug distribution among the members, or maybe violation of state compulsory school attendance laws. The group will swell to a few thousand members, but will be pretty much local or regional.

The local sheriff or PD will go in to enforce the law and will get assaulted or run off at gun point. Sheriff or PD will call for assistance. Compounded will be surrounded. Stand off for a few weeks that will result in the arrest of death of the group leaders. Group members will filter back out and nurse their hatred of the government, which will again be ignored so long as it sticks to the back woods areas that the government rarely cares about anyway.

In short...unless the "revolutionaries" pick a fight, no one in power is going to care.
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^^^^ It started reading like WACO.TX played out!?
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^^^^ It started reading like WACO.TX played out!?
Except there were no crimes committed by the people in WACO. The feds made up false allegations about automatic weapons that had been investigated and cleared by the locals, and they were offered a chance at a peaceful inspection, but they went ahead with their slaughter plans anyway.

So, one could argue the Feds do care about eliminating resistance groups before they act.
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So true, it's easier to put out a small fire opposed to a forest fire
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Old February 9th, 2013, 07:04 PM   #27
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I agree

I once heard an NCO remark that the best thing about officers who spend all their time bucking for promotion and position is that they stay out of the way so NCOs can conduct the unit's business. Seem to be a very accurate statement.

An officer is nothing without a unit, so if TSHTF in this country, in all likelihood officers will be inconsequential as NCOs as you pointed out will answer a higher calling then the orders of some officer bucking for promotion.
Exactly, most officers don't stick around a unit long. They get there time in a certain position and then move on. NCO's being the Backbone of the Army is all so true.
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The other day a few of us at work we were having a discussion about the possibility of another domestic war, either revolutionary or civil.

One guy was insisting that the people would have no chance against the government because the president would just declare martial law and order the military to deploy heavy hardware such as tanks and helicopter gunships along with fighter and bomber aircraft.

Some of the guys believe that many in the military, particularly the National Guard, would resist firing on their own countrymen and would actually side with the people. Furthermore, it is highly unlikely that if Americans did fight back against a tyrannical government it would be in any conventional manner (of which they would have no chance of winning) but more of guerrilla actions. Guerrilla actions have proven effective in just about every conflict since the founding of America.

I am curious as to what everybody else’s position is on this scenario?

Also what would happen if we became embroiled in civil war of conservative vs liberal government?
It may be revolutionary,,,,,,,but war is never civil......
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The other day a few of us at work we were having a discussion about the possibility of another domestic war, either revolutionary or civil.

One guy was insisting that the people would have no chance against the government because the president would just declare martial law and order the military to deploy heavy hardware such as tanks and helicopter gunships along with fighter and bomber aircraft.
Not for sure. BUT, it is written some place (Constitution ?) that OUR US Military Troups CAN NOT BE USED OR DEPLOYED against it's own citizens in an act of force in the USA. It's one reason (also in that same document ?), you don't see Regular Military Troups in times of disaster (storms,floods,riots, etc.) being deployed to help on United States soil and it's always the National Guard you DO see. The National Guard is also controled by the state governors in those time of disaster. I was Regular Army. There were a few disasters and riots (back in the 70's) when I was stationed back in the US and I asked why we couldn't help respond and was told that it was against the Constitution to use Regular Military force against a US civilian population.

Look at it this way too. EVERYONE going into any branch of Military service takes an OATH TO HEAR BY DEFEND THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA,SO HELP ME GOD. They DON'T take that
pledge away when you are discharged. Don't people going into office ALSO take that same pledge ? So as the pledge states... Wouldn't WE the People be joined by our own Troups to defend those pledges. Our 2nd Ammendment covers us to help do that.

What worries me. If it does come down to this,what other enemy of the United States is going to take advantage of that situation and come stomping in our back door ?!?!?!? Yes,the time for change IS upon us. I just hope it's not a change back to the stone age.


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Two little words. With these two words, two concepts were verbalized that have lived for nearly two and a half Millennia. They signify and characterize both the heart of the Warrior, and the indomitable spirit of mankind. From the ancient Greek, they are the reply of the Spartan General-King Leonidas to Xerxes, the Persian Emperor who came with 600,000 of the fiercest fighting troops in the world to conquer and invade little Greece, then the center and birthplace of civilization as we know it. When Xerxes offered to spare the lives of Leonidas, his 300 personal bodyguards and a handful of Thebans and others who volunteered to defend their country, if they would lay down their arms, Leonidas shouted these two words back.
Molon Labe! (mo-lone lah-veh)


They mean, “Come and get them!” They live on today as the most notable quote in military history. And so began the classic example of courage and valor in its dismissal of overwhelming superiority of numbers, wherein the heart and spirit of brave men overcame insuperable odds. Today, there lies a plaque dedicated to these heroes all at the site. It reads: “Go tell the Spartans, travelers passing by, that here, obedient to their laws we lie.”
We have adopted this defiant utterance as a battle cry in our war against oppression because it says so clearly and simply towards those who would take our arms.
It signifies our determination to not strike the first blow, but also to not stand mute and allow our loved ones, and all that we believe in and stand for, to be trampled by men who would deprive us of our God-given – or natural, if you will – rights to suit their own ends.


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The use of the regular armed forces to perform police functions isn't a Constitutional limit, it's a statutory one. A decent (but not perfect) overview of the law can be found at...Insurrection Act
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