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Old January 1st, 2013, 09:03 AM   #1
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What if we have a civil or revolutionary war

The other day a few of us at work we were having a discussion about the possibility of another domestic war, either revolutionary or civil.

One guy was insisting that the people would have no chance against the government because the president would just declare martial law and order the military to deploy heavy hardware such as tanks and helicopter gunships along with fighter and bomber aircraft.

Some of the guys believe that many in the military, particularly the National Guard, would resist firing on their own countrymen and would actually side with the people. Furthermore, it is highly unlikely that if Americans did fight back against a tyrannical government it would be in any conventional manner (of which they would have no chance of winning) but more of guerrilla actions. Guerrilla actions have proven effective in just about every conflict since the founding of America.

I am curious as to what everybody elseís position is on this scenario?

Also what would happen if we became embroiled in civil war of conservative vs liberal government?
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Old January 1st, 2013, 09:17 AM   #2
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I'm in,but half of the country wants big governmet and like to get stuff for free,it might be a tough go,a start would be term limits too get the old farts out of of the way to make room for younger people that belive in the "Constitution" into power ie; Paul Ryan,Marco Rubio,Rand Paul,etc. Just my opinion though...
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Old January 1st, 2013, 09:31 AM   #3
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I think our general population is very easily placated and the scenario is extremely unlikely for a long time to come. I do believe it is entirely possible, though, as wealth and resources continue to dwindle and large populations begin to experience actual hardships. There would have to be an extreme, dramatic rallying point supported by a very large number of people and, I believe, a diverse representation (more in terms of education, experience and knowledge than necessarily by race or religion).

But, we said 'what it', so I'll play. I don't believe the government has any remote chance of withstanding a popular revolt IF there is good communications, organization and leadership available. But again, the best leader needs a cause--a focal point that would cause an individual to do what goes completely against everything he's been taught and is comfortable with. The revolutionaries have to kill their own countrymen, too...we're probably not envisioning a French Revolution where you more-or-less simply delete the elite.

A true, full-blown revolution would likely weaken the country to such an extreme we'd not make it through the process before we were occupied by the nations we owe the most money to.

Now, as for civil war...yes, I suppose that's possible as the gap between the haves and have-nots continues to widen. I could see a faction of nationalists bent on establishing a religious state attempting to coerce their agenda as a necessary means of survival in a world with an increasing number of religious states. This is extremely unlikely also, IMO, because I don't believe the country has more than about 10 people who can agree on anything.

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I don't think most of the news media would let us know that it was happening. They'd find a way to put a spin on any type of skirmishes that occurred and many would wind up believing that we had been saved from terrorist attacks by swift and decisive action from the Executive Branch. Most would believe it. I'm too old for it to impact me much, but it still makes me sad to see the direction we seem to be headed.
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Its obvious that it would be the center of the US vs the 2 coasts. Thank God we control the gulf in TX and LA. We would have a supply line.

As far as the military goes, if anyone would think it would be a slam dunk, the Military would prevail, just look at our war on Terror. It has been going on 12 years and still no victory against the Taliban. What makes you think the armed civilians of the US would not be able to put up a good fight?
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Old January 2nd, 2013, 03:42 AM   #6
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Its obvious that it would be the center of the US vs the 2 coasts. Thank God we control the gulf in TX and LA. We would have a supply line.

As far as the military goes, if anyone would think it would be a slam dunk, the Military would prevail, just look at our war on Terror. It has been going on 12 years and still no victory against the Taliban. What makes you think the armed civilians of the US would not be able to put up a good fight?
I agree.
During the American Revolution, the colonialís use of guerilla tactics (not called that at the time) was instrumental in winning the war.

The French and Yugoslavs fought a successful guerilla action against the Germans during WW II. During the same war Soviet troops in Stalingrad, using snipers and guerilla tactics made the occupying Germans lives a living hell.

The mujahedeen also used guerilla tactics during the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan and eventually forced the Soviets out, albeit with some help from the US.

As jdmidwest pointed, the Taliban has been using it in Afghanistan and that along with the ridiculous RoE the US troops are forced to work under is what has kept us in that country for so many years.

When all is said and done, sometimes it is the opponent you cannot see that will be your undoing.
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Wanna bet the the RoE would not be so onerous in a civil action? I see Barry Soetoro enacting martial law and suspending the Geneva convention in a civil uprising.
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Wanna bet the the RoE would not be so onerous in a civil action? I see Barry Soetoro enacting martial law and suspending the Geneva convention in a civil uprising.

Just look at the evil that was Abraham Lincoln during the Civil War. I am betting that Barry would be much worse.
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I agree.
During the American Revolution, the colonialís use of guerilla tactics (not called that at the time) was instrumental in winning the war.

The French and Yugoslavs fought a successful guerilla action against the Germans during WW II. During the same war Soviet troops in Stalingrad, using snipers and guerilla tactics made the occupying Germans lives a living hell.

The mujahedeen also used guerilla tactics during the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan and eventually forced the Soviets out, albeit with some help from the US.

As jdmidwest pointed, the Taliban has been using it in Afghanistan and that along with the ridiculous RoE the US troops are forced to work under is what has kept us in that country for so many years.

When all is said and done, sometimes it is the opponent you cannot see that will be your undoing.

With the night vision/thermal capabilities of the U.S. military there would be no hope without the secession of states like Texas that would take over military assets and join the fight. Rebels would be lit up with shells from a helicopter before they ever new one was in range.
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Lawful orders

The military is bound to obey LAWFUL orders, not unlawful. If the government (obama or the Sec of Defense) issued unlawful orders to either enact martial law or attack citizens without just cause, I doubt that the military would follow the orders.

The only civil war in this country happened when states seceded from the union. I don't see that happening again. A few or even a lot of nutjobs attacking the government (just how would that work? Attack the state capital? Attack the White House?) wouldn't take much for the police to shut down.

Furthermore, I think anyone who discusses revolution or civil war should think twice before putting it on the internet. The way Homeland Insecurity works and the paranoia they have been exhibiting for the past few years makes anyone talking about insurrection a target.

This discussion is probably really dumb.
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This discussion is probably really dumb.
So why did you bother participating?
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I do think this country will split, but I don't think much if any lead will fly. I think there will be states (most likely the mountain west and Texas) that will just say enough is enough. This will be driven by financial considerations. The feds won't do anything about because they won't be able to.
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The military is bound to obey LAWFUL orders, not unlawful. If the government (obama or the Sec of Defense) issued unlawful orders to either enact martial law or attack citizens without just cause, I doubt that the military would follow the orders.

The only civil war in this country happened when states seceded from the union. I don't see that happening again. A few or even a lot of nutjobs attacking the government (just how would that work? Attack the state capital? Attack the White House?) wouldn't take much for the police to shut down.

Furthermore, I think anyone who discusses revolution or civil war should think twice before putting it on the internet. The way Homeland Insecurity works and the paranoia they have been exhibiting for the past few years makes anyone talking about insurrection a target.

This discussion is probably really dumb.


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Just following orders. Heard that before.

Here is a good history lesson:

Innocents Betrayed Gun Control History Genocide Disarming Populations Hitler NWO 1 of 6 - YouTube
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Its obvious that it would be the center of the US vs the 2 coasts. Thank God we control the gulf in TX and LA. We would have a supply line.
Most of California is rural and we are VERY pro gun!! It's the metropolitan centers that are the ones in Cali to worry about. There are many LEO and military out here that wouldn't support a gun grab either. We're not the lost cause we're made out to be just out numbered by the blind "big city folks".
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