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Old February 24th, 2013, 11:58 PM   #16
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I'm more inclined to want a light semi-auto .22LR carbine, a few mags and several boxes of ammo. Toss in a suppressor and a bolt hold close mechanism as well.

If I'm holed up I want something chambered in .308.
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Old February 25th, 2013, 02:52 AM   #17
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You're not paying attention to where I'm located. I am in Canada,
I'm not trying to be rude so please don't take it that way, but I don't care where you live. You location or local laws do not change what is or is not the most effective weapon for the scenario you presented.

You are trying to rationalize your opinion based on video games, movies and your local laws, not what works in the real world.

The bottom line is a shotgun is better than a handgun as long as it has a good size magazine and a short barrel. Any semi auto intermediate caliber rifle with a box magazine is way better than either one of the above.

If all you can have is a shotgun because of your laws, well then suck it up and live with the shotgun, but don't try to convince yourself or others that it's a better option.
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Old February 25th, 2013, 03:00 AM   #18
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5 round magazine? Really? Sort of makes owning a magazine fed rifle not worth it.

Can you own an M1 Garand? Not magazine fed, not usually on any ban lists and the clips hold 8 rounds and its easier/faster to reload with an 8 round clip than a 5 round magazine. You can put a bayonet on the end of it if you're worried about people getting close to you. Can you own a bayonet in Canada?

Clay pigeons are smaller and moving way faster than people. If using your shotgun I'd bet a load of birdshot to the head/face will stop most people that are running your way. Even if the shot didn't penetrate past the eyes and into the brain its hard for blind "zombies" to chase you down.

SHTF? Meaning no cops, no law, no one to look to for help but yourself = I'm not worried about how many rounds my magazine has in it. I'm worried about surviving.

Have you thought about what caliber/brand of handgun you carry? The most common calibers these days seem to be .40 S&W and 9MM with some government types carrying .357 SIG. Therefor I've bought a couple of handguns that allow be to switch barrels (.40 S&W and .357 SIG) to take advantage of any "found" ammo I might come across in a trunk or bag. I can also change barrel and magazine to shoot 9MM through the same handgun.

For rifles you should look at a caliber that you might be more likely to find as you travel around. Down here its .223/5.56X45. If you're luck enough to be the first one to get into the trunk or the office you'd have some extra ammo for your AR15 (or other type/brand of rifle that fires that caliber).
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Old February 25th, 2013, 03:01 AM   #19
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If the best tactical defensive/offensive weapon system on earth were a shotgun and a pistol, then THAT is what the US Military boys in the field would be carrying. In a squad, or solo.

Ours are equipped with a 5.56 Carbine with multiple 30-round magazines, and a high-capacity pistol as a back-up.

Nuf said.

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Old February 25th, 2013, 04:13 AM   #20
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If the best tactical defensive/offensive weapon system on earth were a shotgun and a pistol, then THAT is what the US Military boys in the field would be carrying. In a squad, or solo.

Ours are equipped with a 5.56 Carbine with multiple 30-round magazines, and a high-capacity pistol as a back-up.

Nuf said.

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Standard capacity, Jeff... High capacity is misnomer. My M&P 40fs has a standard capacity magazine.
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Old February 25th, 2013, 05:19 AM   #21
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There is a reason why the so called assault rifles are used in all miliitary's around the globe. And that is a simple fact.. " They just work "
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Old February 25th, 2013, 05:27 AM   #22
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Old February 25th, 2013, 06:59 AM   #23
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... but they take up so much room on the night stand. An AR by the front door, but a pistol on the nightstand. And a little Smith and Wesson sticker at the bottom of the front door window.
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Old February 25th, 2013, 08:18 AM   #24
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Re: I'm thinking an assault rifle isn't the best defensive gun when the SHTF

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...Can you own an M1 Garand? Not magazine fed, ...
I hate to do this, because I'm not disagreeing with your point, but an M1 is magazine fed, its just not a removable magazine.

But your point is still valid.
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Old February 25th, 2013, 09:01 AM   #25
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Afternoon superlative

I say, first & foremost, use what you have with you.

Next, if you have time to make a choice then take & use what you shoot the best & can carry enough ammo for.

For me personally I can carry a LOT more .223 ammo with me than I can for a 12 gauge shot gun.

I personally shoot an AR much quicker for follow up shots than my 12 gauge. I surly can reload an AR much faster than any of my shotguns. If you shoot a shotgun better than an AR & can reload quickly then that is the gun for you.

I don't hunt deer with a shotgun with buckshot as the killing power of 00 buck is not that good at over 20 yards. If it won't quickly kill a deer I sure don't want to use it against aggressors he!! bent on getting what I have. Slugs do kill deer pretty quickly but they kick like a mule so 2nd & 3rd shot follow up's are long to re-acquire the target.

I know you can only legally have 5 round magazines but you better have some "full" 30 rounders with you if SHTF as you for sure will be going up against lots or others that do have full 30 rounders & probably 300-400+ extra rounds with them. Carrying 300-400 rounds of 12 gauge 00 buck will slow you down considerably. Probably make you an easy target for a guy good with his AR.

The other thing is position give away in the dark. Pretty difficult to hide the rather large muzzle flash on a 12 gauge. Lot easier on a 223 AR & even easier yet with that suppressor you have stashed for just such a SHTF occasion.

Me personally-- I hope the guy I have to go up against only has a shot gun with 00 buck as that greatly increases my chances of winning a fire fight with him.
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Old March 31st, 2013, 01:57 PM   #26
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I have a few shot guns, pistols, rifles.
my mini 14, ruger newer model has never failed me ! 2-7 scope the same with my 10/22 ruger 2-7 scope. Both look almost the same. I know I can carry a lot of 223 & 22lr. shot guns are great but ammo carry ? Would carry my mp9c
for last stand or jumped by others. My ruger single six would out live all other
guns.
Remember ! if and pray to God! that the shtf will never happen and if so your
at home with your loved ones! Your gun safe and 10,000 rounds wont help at
work 25 miles from home and roads are shut down.
In todays world things happen very fast.
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Old May 22nd, 2013, 12:28 PM   #27
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If SHTF, and you have a mob of people running at you, while you are holding a long rifle, You are doing something wrong in the first place. Good Camo and a 10/22 will get you much further than being out in the open with a large caliber rifle or shotgun.
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Old May 29th, 2014, 04:38 PM   #28
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We in the USA can't run around with assault rifles either, unless you want to pay for the NFA stamp and all the extra paperwork so we settle for modern semi automatics which share looks and parts with military assault rifles like the AR15.
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Old May 31st, 2014, 11:28 AM   #29
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I played a few scenarios in my head, using examples found in Western/gangster/zombie movies and I think assault rifles aren't really good defensive weapons if you are the only defender with one.
There are valid reasons for selecting something besides an AR15 for bugging out but with all due respect your ideas don't fall into those categories. One valid example may be bugging out in a less than AR/AK friendly state. In that case a Mini-14 or lever action rifle may raise fewer eyebrows. When fed from quality magazines the Mini is a fine little rifle. On the other hand, lever-guns, due to the p-poor flat-nosed ballistics of most lever rounds start losing effectiveness by about 100-150yds or so.

As others have noted a shotgun lacks the range and accuracy for use against threats outside the home. Used properly a shotgun is a devastating weapon at very close (like inside the home) ranges, however if you chose to use a shotgun for inside the home then I suggest a top notch 18" semiautomatic 12ga like a Benelli M2 or M4. Something that cycles fast enough and reliably enough to allow you to double-tap a charging intruder. A 12ga 00 buck double-tap center mass will thoroughly ruin a bad guy's day. The key is to train to never let your weapon run dry. Train to keep topping it off from a ready to use bandoleer.

A 5.56 fired from an AR15 is effective out as far as I can hit something without a scope (~300yds), but if you feel the need to reach out further then consider a 7.62x51 weapon like an M1a or M&P10.

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Your environment most likely is going to dictate your weapon selection.
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