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Old January 13th, 2013, 02:47 PM   #1
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Anti gun reporter gets his butt OWNED

Keith Morgan from West Virginia is interviewed in this video, everything Keith says is spot on, the reporter is a complete dumbass and comes off as such.

The State Journal's Decision Makers Interview - YouTube
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Old January 13th, 2013, 03:06 PM   #2
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That was awesome! The media guy couldn't get past his talking points and had no facts to back them up. He was completely overwhelmed with truth and logic by Mr. Morgan.

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Old January 13th, 2013, 03:17 PM   #3
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It's clear that the moderator was playing to the stereotypes the anti-gunners routinely use, and wasn't prepared to back up his "conventional wisdom" with facts.

I think the important lesson here is that the moderator accurately reflects the belief system of a significant sector of our society. We often don't really know our neighbors. We tend to live insular lives within a small circle of family and work colleagues. That drives us to be suspicious of our neighbors, to the extent that the moderator would seriously be concerned about his actual neighbors owning semi-automatic rifles. When I served on my local Planning Board, I so often heard abutters to a proposed subdivision express their concerns about the route of vehicular and pedestrian traffic through their existing neighborhood. I constantly heard "I don't want any strangers crossing through my yard", or "I don't want strangers passing through my neighborhood". Of course these "strangers" would be their new neighbors.

It's irrelevant to a legal discussion of Second Amendment rights, but as so often is the case today the objections are not logical or legal, but emotional. That doesn't make them less powerful. On the contrary, it probably makes them more powerful. It often helps to understand the motivations of the opposition. In this case, it seems to me that anti-gunners not only fear guns, they fear their neighbors. That's very sad, and very difficult to turn around.
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It's clear that the moderator was playing to the stereotypes the anti-gunners routinely use, and wasn't prepared to back up his "conventional wisdom" with facts.

I think the important lesson here is that the moderator accurately reflects the belief system of a significant sector of our society. We often don't really know our neighbors. We tend to live insular lives within a small circle of family and work colleagues. That drives us to be suspicious of our neighbors, to the extent that the moderator would seriously be concerned about his actual neighbors owning semi-automatic rifles. When I served on my local Planning Board, I so often heard abutters to a proposed subdivision express their concerns about the route of vehicular and pedestrian traffic through their existing neighborhood. I constantly heard "I don't want any strangers crossing through my yard", or "I don't want strangers passing through my neighborhood". Of course these "strangers" would be their new neighbors.

It's irrelevant to a legal discussion of Second Amendment rights, but as so often is the case today the objections are not logical or legal, but emotional. That doesn't make them less powerful. On the contrary, it probably makes them more powerful. It often helps to understand the motivations of the opposition. In this case, it seems to me that anti-gunners not only fear guns, they fear their neighbors. That's very sad, and very difficult to turn around.
Well stated and as Shakespeare wrote ... 'tis true, 'tis true 'tis pity,
And pity 'tis 'tis true..."
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Old January 13th, 2013, 09:01 PM   #5
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I wish he would have commented when the host stated that officers are there to protect us about how long it would take an officer to show up in that studio if one was needed at that very moment.
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It's clear that the moderator was playing to the stereotypes the anti-gunners routinely use, and wasn't prepared to back up his "conventional wisdom" with facts.
Did anyone notice that the host used just about every stereotypical anti-gun propaganda point? His ignorance is compounded by his use of the term "30-round clip"

I just love it when they start talking about grenade launchers as if one can just walk into Dick's Sporting Goods and purchase one. What a moron.

Keith Morgan owned the host through the whole interview.

When I tell people that the police have no duty to protect you, they look at me like I am from Mars and accuse me of spouting false propaganda... until I show them Warren v DC.
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When I tell people that the police have no duty to protect you, they look at me like I am from Mars and accuse me of spouting false propaganda... until I show them Warren v DC.
The point is perhaps a bit subtle for the "Average Joe". Police, Fire, EMT and other such first responders have a duty to protect the community in the aggregate and they have a *desire* but not a duty to protect each and every one of us in our specific time of need. When it comes down to a specific response to a specific incident, it's on a best effort basis.
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Funny how he thinks the police are trained to have their weapons,lol.
Most of the police cant shoot to save their lives and train very very little.
Most only shoot to qualify to say the least and are not even gun enthusiast.
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Funny how he thinks the police are trained to have their weapons,lol.
Most of the police cant shoot to save their lives and train very very little.
Most only shoot to qualify to say the least and are not even gun enthusiast.
Yes, but there are other reasons to assign a higher degree of trust to police officers' use of guns and their decisions to use lethal force. There are proactive psych evaluations and Internal Affairs to act as watchdog. Those safeguards are absent for the armed citizen.
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When I tell people that the police have no duty to protect you, they look at me like I am from Mars and accuse me of spouting false propaganda... until I show them Warren v DC.
When I was a Deputy I had to explain that to people a few times, they didn't believe it, some people think that if they feel threatened in some way that the county would provide a Deputy to personally guard them. The county, like most counties, has very little money, we didn't have the resources to properly patrol the county, much less provide a citizen with a personal bodyguard.

In this recent shooting, the Police took twenty minutes to respond, witnesses said he committed suicide when he heard the sirens. In that twenty minutes he could have used a muzzle loading single shot to commit the terrible crime, a person with practice can load and fire 4 aimed shots a minute, that was the standard during the Civil War.
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Yes, but there are other reasons to assign a higher degree of trust to police officers' use of guns and their decisions to use lethal force. There are proactive psych evaluations and Internal Affairs to act as watchdog. Those safeguards are absent for the armed citizen.
Yes but I dont see any good in an officer who knows when to use his weapon but not how, though Im not saying they are completely incompetent. I just remember how my fellow recruits and I were "trained" in boot camp to operate the shotgun... we fired 4 rounds each from the hip under close supervision. I am nowhere near as proficient with that weapon, not just shooting but in overall function, as I am with my private weapon. That being said I am sure you would find that most citizens that own these "assault" weapons are more familiar and comfortable with them than the average LEO... and I think that is what scares a lot of people
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Most police departments rarely do regular comprehensive psych evaluations beyond the initial one performed on recruits.

All of us have seen dash-cam and other videos that have shown a LEO unjustifiably going ballistic (no pun intended) on a person. Also there have been numerous news articles of LEO abusing their authority.

Thankfully these type of officers are in the minority. However they are the ones that tarnish the reputations of honest hard working LEOs.

While LEOs are given a higher degree of training than most civilians, this in not a guarantee of exceptional competence. In fact some gun owners train more with their firearm than some LEOs

A 1993 University of Chicago Study showed that approximately 700,000 LEOs killed 330 innocent individuals, while approximately 80,000,000 private gun owners only killed 30 innocent people. This equated to LEO having a 1200 times higher accidental shooting rate than the gun-owning population in general.

This is not a put down of LEO. They do a thankless job and place themselves in danger just about everyday. The point is that statistics simply bear out the fact that just because gun owners have not had the comprehensive training of LEOs, they are not the reckless wild west maniacs the media and anti-gun groups try to make us out to be.

As for the Internal Affairs watchdog, more often than not even if an officer has a bad shoot, his punishment usually ranges from a reprimand to dismissal from the force. Rarely are they prosecuted unless the offense is so blatant that there is no alternative.

Additionally if he is cleared of the shooting and faces a civil lawsuit, the state/county will pay for the legal defense.

Should a gun owners on the other hand becomes involved in a self-defense shooting, they have to contend with the possibility of having to deal with an overzealous, possibly anti-gun prosecutor who would like to make an example of him. His legal defense costs can reach tens of thousands of dollars.

Even if he is acquitted, he still faces possible civil action for which he would incur more legal expense. Conceivably this ordeal could drive him to bankruptcy.

My point is that most CCW and gun owners, knowing they possibly face such a gauntlet tend to be more cognizant of and take measures to minimize situations in which they may have to use a firearm in self defense.
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Thanks for sharing. That was awesome. Great to see rational thinking and communicating taking place in that video. Best part of the video was when Keith told the interviewer he was carrying. Pricelesss!
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Here in Oklahoma we have to take the MMPI to become a certified LEO, but a nutjob will slip through from time to time, it happens.
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Old January 15th, 2013, 01:39 AM   #15
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I died laughing @ 9:25 with the journalist face when the guy said "I can put a 9mm on the table right now...."

-You 're armed ? That's disturbing!
-And you 're not ???

LOL LOL
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