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Old February 20th, 2013, 01:14 PM   #16
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Costa does get crap for having a lot of fanboys, he doesn't seem take himself too seriously though. He just happens to be an extra big target being a coastie, I'd be interested to hear some of his "sea stories" though.

I don't care where the thread goes. The video was about another shooters M&P and chance to poke some fun at the Costa worshipers.

Apparently he wears a ballistic rug.



He likes Hello Kitty



He even has his own ballistic poster.



Aftermath of a Shotgun wedding to a fanboy?


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Old February 20th, 2013, 05:23 PM   #17
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Don't let 40fan cast dispersion on Chris Costa and make it seem like he isn't a well respected trainer and doesn't have solid credentials. Chris gets grief because he has a lot of fanboys. That doesn't make him any less of an instructor and doesn't mean he doesn't know his shit. Putting him in the same sentence as Tex Grebner is ridiculous.

Costa became famous after a series of videos he did with Travis Haley for Magpul Dynamics. (Handgun, Carbine, Shotgun, Precision Rifle and Aerial Platform)

Here is a trailer for one of the videos:
Magpul Dynamics - Art of the Dynamic Handgun - YouTube

Here is some background on Chris:

Chris Costa - Shares his history and background - YouTube

I have met both Costa and Haley before and and anyone would benefit from their training.

Having said that, I think his M&P is overpriced and not that spectacular.
Thanks Brimstone! I'll check them out. Y'all just continue to educate me and I appreciate it!
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Old February 20th, 2013, 06:21 PM   #18
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Costa does get crap for having a lot of fanboys, he doesn't seem take himself too seriously though.
That was what I meant, just from the interview I saw, he seemed not to take himself as seriously as people imply he does or is.
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gee. But he's got a cool gun anyway (not the pink one).
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Old February 21st, 2013, 08:51 AM   #20
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It’s true that many trainers and gun gurus have a target on them. Some more prominent than others based on their following, like Costa. Most of them all have something to offer, or something you can take away and apply. Even a ScrewTube Commando might even be able to offer some nugget. However, I’m a believer that not everything works for everyone. In the end, any technique, system or gear set only has to work for the individual. That comes with general exposure to such techniques and practical application of those techniques and gear. One shouldn’t marry themselves to one school of thought. Instead, build your own tool kit of skills and gear based on your research/education, experience and practical application. Take what works and leave the rest behind. It’s about the journey, not the destination.
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Itís true that many trainers and gun gurus have a target on them. Some more prominent than others based on their following, like Costa. Most of them all have something to offer, or something you can take away and apply. Even a ScrewTube Commando might even be able to offer some nugget. However, Iím a believer that not everything works for everyone. In the end, any technique, system or gear set only has to work for the individual. That comes with general exposure to such techniques and practical application of those techniques and gear. One shouldnít marry themselves to one school of thought. Instead, build your own tool kit of skills and gear based on your research/education, experience and practical application. Take what works and leave the rest behind. Itís about the journey, not the destination.
+1 Wow! Could not agree more! Thanks!
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Old February 21st, 2013, 11:37 AM   #22
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The vast majority of the tactical trainers are highly skilled gun handlers. Many are good teachers, and many have excellent backgrounds in millitary or law enforcement that give them expertise in the tactics appropriate to those fields.

The problem I have with the worship of these guys by civilians is those skills are not necessarily the best or appropriate for a DEFENSIVE scenario. Defensive shootings by a civillian that result in a death might take 18-24 months and tens of thousands of dollars to resolve even if the shooter is found not guilty in criminal court and not liable in civil court. In several cases I have followed over the years, a shooter spent a total of more than 4 weeks in jail before being cleared of all charges. The impact on family, career, finances, and physical and mental health can be devastating. And that is when things go your way in court!

My training, many years ago, emphasized preparation, deterance, early warning, and defensive tactics with the aim of NOT firing the gun if at all possible. The best response to an intruder at night, as I was taught, is to get the family into a safe location and take up a defensive possition between them and the threat where you have tactical superiority. That means things like putting yourself in the dark behind cover where an intruder will be forced to approach up a lighted hall or staircase in the open. The hope is they will choose not to be suicidal and when it is over you can then call your insurance company and not your legal defense team. I have seen nothing in the last 20 years that leads me to believe this mindset is dated, to the contrary, it seems more relevant and important everyday if you follow the court cases. Yet rather than see the gun community pushing responsible defensive tactics and training to prepare you for what could be a multi year ordeal, I see more and more push for SWAT and CQB tactics and gear, focussing on the few seconds of possible gunfire and ignoring the potential consequences of your choices.

While running room clearing drills at a range can be a lot of fun, the home defense situations where it makes sense for an individual to try to clear their house are very rare, and mostly preventable with deterance, early warning, and other sensible preparation. If you find pleasure in honing millitary style skills so you can excell in fun shoots where you clear a house of cardboard zombie targets, more power to you, be safe and have fun. But, in my opinion you need to carefully seperate what is for entertainment and what is truly for preserving not just your life but also your quality of life. Think about the full aftermath of a shooting when you evaluate tactical instructors and what they are and are not teaching you.
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Give him a break guys, there are no Castle Doctrine or Stand Your Ground laws in N.Y., only Duty to Retreat. Great place to be a criminal.

Here in Idaho (with strong Castle Doctrine and Stand Your Ground laws), if a criminal comes onto our property with ill intent, the law puts on us the responsibility to decide whether they leave on foot or in a body bag. Probably part of the reason breakins don't happen very often.
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How's the stand your ground law working out for that Zimmerman guy in gun friendly Florida? He had a gangbanger thug on top of him, punching him in the face and smashing his head into concrete and yet his life has been turned completely upside down because he pulled the trigger.

His story got a ton of media attention, but it is not unique. I have followed criminal and civil cases from Georgia, Texas, South Carolina among other states. You really should consider learning something about the topic before doling out advice and giving me your condescending BS.
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Here is a case in Idaho I found with a quick google search.

Two years later ...
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You're sounding more like a N.Y. politician every day, not that there's anything wrong with that.

Fact is, Zimmerman is alive after that beating. He might not be if he hadn't defended himself. Stand your ground is only the expedient political spin on that one, the story is about a "white" mexican killing a black child.

Two years later...

I gotta ask, what does a drunken brawl have to do with this? This guy was carrying in a bar, got drunk, and a couple other guys bumped into him. He pulls a gun on them but doesn't fire (that's brandishing, btw). He gets thrown out of the bar and these guys follow him west down Sherman Ave. for about a block and a half. They threaten him, smack him around, and throw him through a restaurant window before he defends himself, in a rather inebriated manner I might add. Public drunkeness while carrying a firearm isn't legal in N.Y. either, is it?

BTW, excellent job "following" that one.

P.S. Though I've worked as a research assistant in a Superior Court Justice's office (part of that time studying defensive shootings), or perhaps because of that, I rarely give legal advice. But you talked to your lawyer...

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Old February 21st, 2013, 06:31 PM   #27
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I didn't follow the case, I found that one in a quick search. Your version of the events does not match the versions I read, not that it matters since just about every shooting will have multiple stories.

Point was and still is, he won in court but his life got trashed. Zimmerman is still alive and he may still win in court but his life will never be the same. Prosecutors and civil lawyers will use anything they can against you, and the cost and impact of that are non-trivial. You seem to think being in your legal right will mean you get off scott free when in many cases that is not what happens. Clearly you are one of the Rambo idiots in denial of this, but you really should think about it a bit more before you end up a defendant and all your macho Internet posts about deciding who leaves in a body bag are used against you. I wouldn't care except the media and anti-gun groups are getting very good at using people like you to paint gun owners and the NRA as a bunch of gun nuts. This happens to be a rather sensitive time with national and state legislation if you haven't noticed, so if for no other reason, please try to think a little more before you post.
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I just finished lunch and I'm bored, so I'll post a reply (knowing I'll get more ad hominem attacks for my efforts).

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I didn't follow the case, I found that one in a quick search. Your version of the events does not match the versions I read, not that it matters since just about every shooting will have multiple stories.
My neighbor (at the time) owns a taxi company in my home town of Coeur D'Alene, ID. He had just picked up a fare at Torch Lounge when this happened. He watched the whole thing unfold from 75 feet away and took the time to recounted it to my wife and I in great detail, over some thick juicy steaks (no alcohol involved). He was present during much of the procedings and was called a number of times as a witness for both prosecution and defense. What's your source again?

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Point was and still is...
Considering the alternative, the fact that Zimmerman is still alive may be more important, at least to him. I doubt he cares if you don't see it that way.

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Prosecutors and civil lawyers will use anything they can against you, and the cost and impact of that are non-trivial.
Compared to being dead... TRIVIAL! Besides, I have a pretty good lawyer, who just happens to be my state representative too.

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You seem to think being in your legal right will mean you get off scott free when in many cases that is not what happens.
Many states with Castle Doctrine laws extend criminal and civil immunity to their residents, some offer one or the other.

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Ad Holinem attack... Anti-gun, liberal media, bla bla bla
Yawn.

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... people like you to paint gun owners and the NRA as a bunch of gun nuts.
More ad hominem attacks, Yawn. If you think the NRA is against Castle Doctrine and Stand Your Ground laws, you'd think they wouldn't be working so hard to get them passed.

]quote]all your macho Internet posts about deciding who leaves in a body bag are used against you.[/quote]

I got that line from the Idaho Attorney General, Lawrence Wasden.


Now that we're done with that, for the moment anyway:


All this talk of Rambo got me to remembering...

In California I worked as a Camera Repairman for a few years, at Helberg Camera Repair in Irvine, CA. As it happens, our office was next door to the Planet Hollywood offices. Every once in a while Bruce Willis would drive up in his red '67 Corvette or Sylester Stallone in an old school black Ford Bronco with his dogs in back. Folks got a little rowdy over there one afternoon and brought over some munchies to apologise for the racket. Fun times...
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You clearly have no reading comprehension and not the slightest clue what I am saying.

I am not arguing against castle doctrine. I support it 100%. What I am trying to get through your incredibly thick skull is that the best castle and stand your ground laws, even with civil immunity, have not prevented people from getting arrested, sued, or having their lives destroyed. Even if the law says you have the right to kill someone, if you have a choice, you shouldn't do it. Not for their sake, but yours.

I think we both agree that Zimmerman was within his legal right to follow a suspicious individual. When that person attacked him, he was within his right to use deadly force to defend himself. Florida has laws that are supposed to protect someone in that situation, but they haven't. The point that you simply do not grasp is that being right according to the law is not enough, Zimmerman would have been much better off avoiding the situation to begin with. Also, the fact that the over zealous prosecutor trying to destroy him is a Republican should make you think long and hard about who in government you can trust even in a pro-gun area.
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Clearly this has gone from heated conversation to slinging insults. If you would like to continue with a reasonable discussion I would be glad to support my position, especially against yours.

If you put the ball in my court I will return it. But I'm not going to put up with infantile bashing.

TALLAHASSEE --
"The Task Force on Citizen Safety and Protection released its final report on the controversial "Stand Your Ground" law -- and it recommends that it should not be overturned.

"The Task Force concurs with the core belief that all persons, regardless of citizenship status, have a right to feel safe and secure in our state. To that end, all persons who are conducting themselves in a lawful manner have a fundamental right to stand their ground and defend themselves from attack with proportionate force in every place they have a lawful right to be."
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