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This is a discussion on Chris Costa Worship Time - His M&P within the Videos forums, part of the Multimedia category; Given the link you posted, it seems you are completely incapable of conducting a rational conversation. I AM NOT AGAINST STAND YOUR GROUND LAWS. You ...


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Old February 22nd, 2013, 10:47 AM   #31
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Given the link you posted, it seems you are completely incapable of conducting a rational conversation.

I AM NOT AGAINST STAND YOUR GROUND LAWS. You simply don't get it, so just move on.
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That was only a current events post, I presented no arguments. I have no intent of continuing this discussion until you're civil.
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Old February 22nd, 2013, 11:16 AM   #33
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How about that Chris Costa and his M&P? Uh huh!
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Old February 22nd, 2013, 12:40 PM   #34
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My question is...lunch at 3:30 in the morning KR?
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Old February 22nd, 2013, 12:51 PM   #35
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How about that Chris Costa and his M&P? Uh huh!

LOL


Yeah, I feel that.


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My question is...lunch at 3:30 in the morning KR?
3:30AM?

Oh, I had to fly back to Dubai for a few days, part of a deal we're working on. It was just before 1 PM when I got back to my room. It's almost 2:00 in the morning here, so that bed is looking nice about now.
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Anyone know what brand tactical underwear Costa wears?
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Old February 22nd, 2013, 08:01 PM   #37
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Maidenform, with the blue flowers.
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Wow, this thread has something interesting turns.

KR, I want a pic of a Caracal F while you're in Dubai.
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It's almost 11:30 AM Saturday, mid 70's and not a cloud in the sky (big suprise there).

Not enough time to get over there today, flying out in a couple hours, but may be stopping by in June (Emirati scheduling is... unusual). I'll see if I can bring home some samples, maybe do a karma drawing, what color grip insert you want?

Funny thing, on Sundays we arrive home 15 minutes before we leave here.




P.S. I'm not really doing a Caracal F Karma drawing.
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You guys talk about the Zimmerman-Martin Case like that was a clear cut defensive shoot. This is a highly debated case and IMO Zimmerman was in the wrong and should be in jail. I'll cut and paste a little bit but you can read more here:
Trayvon Martin: George Zimmerman's account to police of the Trayvon Martin shooting. - Orlando Sentinel

"On Feb. 26, when Zimmerman first spotted Trayvon, he called police and reported a suspicious person, describing Trayvon as black, acting strangely and perhaps on drugs. [Trayvon was an unarmed black teenager who had committed no crime, they say, who was gunned down while walking back from a 7-Eleven with nothing more sinister than a package of Skittles and can of Arizona iced tea.]

Zimmerman got out of his SUV to follow Trayvon on foot. When a dispatch employee asked Zimmerman if he was following the 17-year-old, Zimmerman said yes. The dispatcher told Zimmerman he did not need to do that.

There is about a one-minute gap during which police say they're not sure what happened.

Zimmerman told them he lost sight of Trayvon and was walking back to his SUV when Trayvon approached him from the left rear, and they exchanged words."

Trayvon was not from the area. He lived in Miami but was in Sanford visiting family. If I was walking through an unfamiliar neighborhood at night being followed by a man who just got out of a black suv I would be feeling a little defensive. The rest gets a little foggy since he is not alive to tell his side and although there were witnesses who heard cries for help they cannot agree on who was yelling.

edit:Forgot to mention this FWIW "When police arrived less than two minutes later, Zimmerman was bleeding from the nose, had a swollen lip and had bloody lacerations to the back of his head. Paramedics gave him first aid but he said he did not need to go to the hospital. He got medical care the next day."

Anyways...just a different take on this Neighborhood Watch "hero"
Oh and Costa's gun is pretty cool

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Zimmerman did not describe the suspicious person as black untill he was asked by the dispatcher. He also has a history of fighting for the civil rights of a black victim of Sanford police abuse. The idea that he was racist is absolutely absurd given a wider examination of the facts and it is clearly an intentional fabrication by the media, Travon's family and other groups that benefit from creating racial tensions.

Another fact that is hard to dispute is that Travon had a history of violence and criminal activity including fights and bragging about punching people on his social media accounts. The 10 year old kid shown in the photos by the mass media grew up to be a 17 year old thug. His history of being caught in possession of stolen jewelry and burglary tools suggests that TM was involved in exactly the types of crime that had been occurring in that neighborhood so if anything, a further review of TM's background suggests GZ's suspicions were 100% spot on.

Finally, if you look at the layout of the neighborhood, and the timeline of the 911 calls, Zimmerman lost Travon when he went toward an exit of the neighborhood and TM turned right towards his fathers unit. After that there was plenty of time for TM to get home before GZ hung up and returned toward his car. TM either waited there to ambush him or turned back to confront him. If TM was trying to get away and GZ was the agressor, the location of the shooting would have had to have been much farther down a different sidewalk. And that is assuming TM was slow as a snail. If he wanted to get home safely, he could have been indoors before GZ turned back towards his car at a walking pace let alone running.

The prosecution story is that a neighborhood watch volunteer who was out to commit murder would call the police first, then start an altercation with his gun in his pocket (with a victim who inexplicably chose to stick around to be attacked), then wait until he is sufficiently beaten to pull the gun and fire a single shot. Does that sound even remotely plausible to you? Even if GZ was a KKK member and TM an alter boy honour student, the story would still be extremely contrived.

Should GZ have gotten out of the car and followed a potentially violent gangbanger? Not, in my opinion, as avoiding conflict is the best self defense, on a sidewalk or even in your own home. Is it illegal to follow someone on public streets and sidewalks? No. Is it legal to shoot someone who is on top of you, punching you in the face and smashing your head into a sidewalk, after calls for help go unanswered and no one comes to help breakup the fight? I would hope so. The only credible question in this otherwise clear cut case is did GZ give up his right to self defense when he got out of his car and followed the thug rather than taking the opportunity to drive away. I think you would have to be extremely liberal or racially biased to conclude that based on Florida law, especially since he was on his way back to the car when the fight took place.
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You guys talk about the Zimmerman-Martin Case like that was a clear cut defensive shoot. This is a highly debated case and IMO Zimmerman was in the wrong and should be in jail. I'll cut and paste a little bit but you can read more here:
There is only one poster that claimed it's a foregone conclusion, and it's doubtfull you'll get anywhere with him without a confession. Even then, he'll still prefer his opinion over fact.

Sounds like you have an equally one sided opinion.

Clearly the facts, as they are being laid out in a court of law, are of little concern to either of you, so prejudicial recreations are your only source of information.

Until the truth is revealed, I will resist drawing any uninformed conclusions.
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The idea that he was racist is absolutely absurd given a wider examination of the facts...

Another fact that is hard to dispute is that Travon had a history of violence and criminal activity including fights and bragging about punching people on his social media accounts. The 10 year old kid shown in the photos by the mass media grew up to be a 17 year old thug. His history of being caught in possession of stolen jewelry and burglary tools suggests that TM was involved in exactly the types of crime that had been occurring in that neighborhood so if anything, a further review of TM's background suggests GZ's suspicions were 100% spot on.

Should GZ have gotten out of the car and followed a potentially violent gangbanger? Not, in my opinion, as avoiding conflict is the best self defense, on a sidewalk or even in your own home. Is it illegal to follow someone on public streets and sidewalks? No. Is it legal to shoot someone who is on top of you, punching you in the face and smashing your head into a sidewalk, after calls for help go unanswered and no one comes to help breakup the fight? I would hope so. The only credible question in this otherwise clear cut case is did GZ give up his right to self defense when he got out of his car and followed the thug rather than taking the opportunity to drive away. I think you would have to be extremely liberal or racially biased to conclude that based on Florida law, especially since he was on his way back to the car when the fight took place.
I didn't say anything about GZ being racist TM could have been green for all I care but I know the media loves playing that card even though Im pretty sure GZ was hispanic not white if that matters at all.

So he is guilty because he has a history? Ask your lawyer how he feels about that one.

Ive got a copy of the 911 call.
https://www.documentcloud.org/docume...zimmerman.html
According to GZ their is a history of break-ins in the area and TM is guilty of walking around the neighborhood looking at the houses, appearing up to no good, or on drugs. Later TM takes off running and the dispatcher tells him he doesn't need to follow as an officer/s is on the way. GZ actually loses TM and the dispatcher tries to get GZ's location so the officer can talk to him but he tells the dispatcher to have them call back when they are closer, suggesting he is still moving trying to find TM.

Doesn't Trayvon have the right to defend himself? Doesnt he have the right to take a stroll through the neighborhood? He doesnt know GZ's intent. Witnesses cannot confirm who threw the first punch, so if I was on the jury self defense would not fly with me. Here is the statute:
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TM's history speaks to the plausibility that GZ is telling the truth when he says he was attacked. Is it proof? Heck no. But, if someone is claiming self defense from an 80 year old woman who has never assaulted someone in her life, I would view their claim with more suspicion than if they claimed self defense against someone who was know to have assaulted dozens of other people. The evidence rules for a court of law do not apply to a rational person reviewing the facts to form an opinion. Circumstantial evidence and history can be used to evaluate whose story is plausible and whose is extremely unlikely. The DA is also absolutely allowed to evaluate these things when weighing whether or not to bring charges and what charge to bring.

Your statement "Witnesses cannot confirm who threw the first punch, so if I was on the jury self defense would not fly with me." does not follow the principle of innocent until proven guilty. Unless the state can prove beyond reasonable doubt that GZ started the fight, the claim of self defense should hold. As far as I know, there was no physical evidence that TM was punched, or that GZ punched anyone. On the other hand, GZ had facial injuries and TM had injuries to his hands consistent with punching someone.
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There is only one poster that claimed it's a foregone conclusion, and it's doubtfull you'll get anywhere with him without a confession. Even then, he'll still prefer his opinion over fact.

Sounds like you have an equally one sided opinion.

Clearly the facts, as they are being laid out in a court of law, are of little concern to either of you, so prejudicial recreations are your only source of information.

Until the truth is revealed, I will resist drawing any uninformed conclusions.
You don't resist drawing uninformed conclusions about either of us and instead of arguing with facts you resort to personal attacks as usual.

That 911 calls, coroners report, map of the neighborhood and locations of TM's fathers unit and the place of the shooting are public record. The distance TM had to cover to get inside, and the time between when GZ told the dispatcher he lost him and when the shooting occurred are pretty well established and not in dispute. My opinion that TM had time to get home is well supported. My opinion that he was a criminal is well supported. My opinion the GZ was not some anti-black racist is well supported. I don't know who threw the first punch, but the prosecutor has shown no evidence to date that contradicts GZ's story that TM jumped him, and they need to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that GZ started the fight, or convince jurors to convict based on emotion and not facts.

The prosecution may have witnesses and physical evidence we don't know about yet, and I will evaluate it when they present it, but what they have presented so far is extremely weak and yet it has been more than enough to destroy Zimmerman's life. That is my original point, you need to be beyond careful with a SD shooting and anything leading up to one, because even if the truth is on your side, it does not take much for a prosecutor to put you through hell.
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