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Old December 22nd, 2016, 12:54 PM   #1
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I have been shooting a bit over a year now, gone from Unclassified noob to a SharpShooter rated guy that is bearing down on EXPERT rating. I have gone through many changes, and changed my outlook and understanding of how competition shooting can improve your self defense weapons handling skills. Not everything crosses over, but getting used to different things, situations, and shooting from various types of cover pushes your limits and allows you to better understand your ability to shoot in various situations.

Shooting under a table is not the same as sitting in a range lane punching holes in paper with all the tie min the world to concentrate on the perfect trigger squeeze. Having non-threat targets in front AND behind a bad guy target is excellent training. Looking forward to another year, and hope to make Expert before this time 2017.

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Old December 22nd, 2016, 01:53 PM   #2
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When I approach potential comp' shooters I tell them that one doesn't shoot competition BECAUSE one is a great shooter, but one shoots competition to get better. Everyone has high days and low days. We're human after all. The REALLY good shooters maximize their great days and minimize their low days and can maybe even affect them. I'm an old fart and I'm considering not even shooting some stages that are challenging for me. I shoot to keep in practice, raise the stress, and have fun doing things I can't do on my home range. Some stages are just too into minutia and I'm not.

But IDPA or USPSA (which is what I shoot when comp's are held outdoors) it's just a game. There are lots of things done in competition that will get one killed or result in major legal challenges (at best) if done in real life. Competition is great to get the stress level elevated. It's also a great day spent around other shooters and frankly we're some of the best people on the planet. But it's just a game.

I write that to reflect the majority of people and not Dennis. He doesn't feel stress.

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I shoot IDPA practices and matches to practice and keep the skills current that I acquire during training.

Most of those skiils can't be used on the square range.
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Old December 25th, 2016, 05:26 AM   #4
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Not meant to be rude or for that matter condescending but I've never gotten stressed out playing a game. I simply place the match in perspective, it is what it is, and nothing more or less. Everyone walks away!
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Dennis, you're unusual in that then. Most folks when they know there is a time element, and people watching, feel stress. We had people shooting with us (USPSA action pistol), who were going over to the sandbox, and those that had been there previously told us that it was as close to the real thing as one could get without having incoming rounds. They did it to insert and experience stress in their shooting, something not normally found on a shooting range (their words). But in time the stress becomes less and less, or at least dealt with better, or at least that's what I found.

When I first began shooting USPSA I felt stress bigtime, but I don't like to be up in front of anybody. Now it's no big deal and I concentrate more on the "now" and the stage I'm shooting and forget about the rest. I almost wish I could feel a bit of stress because it keeps me sharper.
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Dennis, you're unusual in that then. Most folks when they know there is a time element, and people watching, feel stress. We had people shooting with us (USPSA action pistol), who were going over to the sandbox, and those that had been there previously told us that it was as close to the real thing as one could get without having incoming rounds. They did it to insert and experience stress in their shooting, something not normally found on a shooting range (their words). But in time the stress becomes less and less, or at least dealt with better, or at least that's what I found.

When I first began shooting USPSA I felt stress bigtime, but I don't like to be up in front of anybody. Now it's no big deal and I concentrate more on the "now" and the stage I'm shooting and forget about the rest. I almost wish I could feel a bit of stress because it keeps me sharper.
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I started shooting steel before the first trip to the sandbox and it defenitely helps. Also like three gun for the same reasons. But, after the first crack being shot at you everything goes in slow motion and training takes over.

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I started shooting steel before the first trip to the sandbox and it defenitely helps. Also like three gun for the same reasons. But, after the first crack being shot at you everything goes in slow motion and training takes over.

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Dennis, you're unusual in that then. Most folks when they know there is a time element, and people watching, feel stress. We had people shooting with us (USPSA action pistol), who were going over to the sandbox, and those that had been there previously told us that it was as close to the real thing as one could get without having incoming rounds. .
Let me say that not all individuals are under stress or for that matter stressed out by as an example competition. I've yet to have a IDPA target return fire.

In my younger days 13 month and 15 days tour of duty Marine Corps Viet-Nam. That said on occasion there were more stressful days than others.

At my age group I am long past worrying about what others think.
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Let me say that not all individuals are under stress or for that matter stressed out by as an example competition. I've yet to have a IDPA target return fire.

In my younger days 13 month and 15 days tour of duty Marine Corps Viet-Nam. That said on occasion there were more stressful days than others.

At my age group I am long past worrying about what others think.
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Dennis I corrected my original statement to take into account your singular lack of stress.
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Dennis I corrected my original statement to take into account your singular lack of stress.
Ok lets pursue real life examples of stressful circumstance:

1.)Your landing in a LZ under fire, your are part of a AO team. The O2 artillery observer killed immediately, the radio man wounded severely and you are there OJT (On THE Job Training) as part of the AO team.

2.)Underground conventional coal mining conducting a engineering time study on roof bolting machine when the roof caves in along with the entry rib pinching in.

3.)You are shooting at an IDPA target.

Which of the three examples is least likely to induce stress?

Massad Ayoob wrote an article on inducing stress by participating in shooting competition. I thought to myself not hardly but then that's my experience based on examples 1 & 2.
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I think Ayoob knows more about it than you do. Or are you now saying that you know more about it than Ayoob? He did or does lots of things I don't agree with, like injecting adrenaline in a shooter to add the physiological result of stress to the body. I think that goes a bit too far. But he's absolutely correct when he writes about competition and stress for the vast majority of shooters.

It's not a matter of what produces more stress. That changes what I wrote in a significant way and I won't have anyone put words in my mouth or twist what I wrote. If competition produces even slight stress it fulfills what I wrote; what I wrote wasn't relative. I wrote that competition produces stress, period, not a little, not a lot, just stress. Except for you. I made that correction to make you happy. But what I wrote is known and acknowledged by most competitors; competition adds a level of stress to all but a select few it seems.

But why are you persuing this? I agree, you're a Marine, you don't feel stress, you won. I also counted you out in the initial post to indicate that you're not part of the norm. I jumped out of airplanes and I felt stress every time and I feel stress, or did, at competitions. Frankly I didn't want anyone around me who didn't feel fear or stress when jumping. There are psychological terms to describe people like that and none of them indicate normalcy. If they only get themselves killed that's OK, but they have a tendency to get others killed as well since they are part of a team and everyone counts on everyone else.

FWIW, I was in some respects a better competition shooter when I felt more stress than I do today. Now I'm far too relaxed and I make mistakes where I know better. That's what stress does... it helps to sharpen one up.

BTW, thanks for your service. But you're home now marine. I don't want to diminish what you went through (many of us are ex military, not just you) so don't forget the LZ, but learn to deal with it.
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