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Old January 19th, 2011, 11:30 AM   #31
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These guys test a BUNCH of stuff, and have ZERO bias. It's a great sight in general for real-world, honest, non-biased testing.



Read up, and bring coffee...



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Old January 19th, 2011, 11:35 AM   #32
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PS... 0000 Buck is 1200fps out of a 3" barrel??? I think that's a 24-26" barrel... NOT out of a pistol!


You would think it was tested out of a 3" barrel considering its a round designed for the judge. It says ".410 handgun" on the box. Does seem pretty high though...
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Old January 19th, 2011, 11:51 AM   #33
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Afterall, the 454 case is exactly the same as 45 Colt but is 0.1" longer.


No. The .45 Colt uses a large pistol primer. The .454 Casull case uses a small rifle primer and has a thicker case wall, way different.


  • .454 Casull 60,000 PSI
  • .45 Colt MAP spec of 14,000 PSI. (Handloading manuals for Ruger have a pressure ceiling somewhere between 25,000 - 32,000 PSI.)

No offense but I call BS or ignorance, this is the kind of information that can get people hurt if taken as truth. So it must be corrected, it is paramount.



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Old January 19th, 2011, 12:40 PM   #34
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They had single stack 9mm pistols for years, I have one, a model 908, but its no longer on their website so I guess its been discontinued.



I did find they have an M&P 22 pistol now, a lot of people have been wanting that.



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Dad has been toying with the idea of a Judge to carry around the farm. But, the Judge is made by Taurus which has horrible service and less than acceptable quality in my opinion. This may be the solution for him.



When he is riding the tractor or walking around on the farm, he encounters all types of critters. Snakes, coyotes, skunks, stray dogs. Lately, there have been reports of bear, wild hogs, and mountain lions in the area. 2 cylinders loaded with .410 for the snakes and the rest 45 lc should handle anything he runs up against. It would sure beat the High Standard 22lr revolver he carries now. I have carried revolvers in 38 special or .357 loaded the same way for the same reasons. The 38 shotshells lack the umpf to kill most snakes with the little #9 shot, so an upgrade to a .410 shotshell should do the trick.



I doubt it could really be dubbed a true "self defense" weapon, but like others say, it would sure beat a 380.
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Im sure it was more than just one person from S&W who came up with the idea for this. I dont necessarily care for it but I'm sure some will.



I sense a little pent up anger


I used to pack a Charter Arms Bulldog with hot handloads. But the first round out was a gelatin cup full of 6's. First round to the face solves the knockdown question. Got my firegear on so ya can flame on........

its pretty "utilitarian".
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I still think it would be a fun gun, for just about everything.
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Okay... you all convinced me. I'll drop $600-700 on a 2.5lb revolver for shooting snakes...



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Old January 19th, 2011, 04:48 PM   #39
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http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot41.htm



These guys test a BUNCH of stuff, and have ZERO bias. It's a great sight in general for real-world, honest, non-biased testing.



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Good read Jeff, thanks. I poked around for any better reviews on the ammo, not a lot out there. I knew about the PDX-1 shells, but it looks like not much better and that shell was supposedly designed for the Judge.. I still want one though... I'll find some fun things to do with it.. I still wouldn't want to be a bad guy and get shot with it.. I won't be givin up my 9,40 and 45's...
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i had a judge and it wasnt to me a quality firearm. but i think with the smith name behind it it should be a great product. i think that its a good idea for the money for sw and a good idea for defense. really how many of us are going to remember any type of training/practice with the stress of a conflict. what i did like about the judge is that in the event i had to use it i just pointed in that direction and fired 3 36 cailber disc and 12 shot of lead with the pdx1. like the fact to you can use 45acp
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Lots of gun shows talking about the judge. Everything I hear says they are great defensive handguns





Here is one of the defensive .410 loads by Winchester (PDX1 .410) for the judge but I would imagine would work in a Governor



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Here are some "facts" using this round in a Taurus Judge with a 3" barrel.



At 7 to 15 feet, the disc will penetrate 10 inches into ballastic gel, the BB's 4 to 6 inches.



The spread at 7 feet for the 3 disc is 1 1/2 inches, the BB's 8 inches.



The spread at 15 feet for the 3 disc is 2 to 3 inches and the BB's 18 inches.



This is lethal for both disc and BB's. Test done by Outdoor life magazine


Governor





I would Buy one. im pretty sure you could put the bad guy down with this
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Lots of gun shows talking about the judge. Everything I hear says they are great defensive handguns





Here is one of the defensive .410 loads by Winchester (PDX1 .410) for the judge but I would imagine would work in a Governor







Governor





I would Buy one. im pretty sure you could put the bad guy down with this


12 inches of penetration is the minimum for a good self defense round. Though I am sure with a couple well placed shots at close range the .410 will do the trick.
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12 inches of penetration is the minimum for a good self defense round. Though I am sure with a couple well placed shots at close range the .410 will do the trick.




so your saying that 6 rounds of .410 or a couple rounds of .410 and .45LC or APC would not be acceptable for self defense?



3 000 buck shot is about like getting hit with 3 .380 bullets with one pull of the trigger. multiply that by 6 I think the bad guy would be down enough to get to safety 18 holes in the chest or head of the bad guy is going to stop him better than carrying a .380 imo
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so your saying that 6 rounds of .410 or a couple rounds of .410 and .45LC or APC would not be acceptable for self defense?



3 000 buck shot is about like getting hit with 3 .380 bullets with one pull of the trigger. multiply that by 6 I think the bad guy would be down enough to get to safety 18 holes in the chest or head of the bad guy is going to stop him better than carrying a .380 imo


.45lc and .45acp are much better self defense rounds. I did say I think a couple well placed shots of .410 would do the trick, but why carry .410 when you can carry the others? I'll carry 13 rounds of 9mm over 6 rounds of .45acp anyday.
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Federal Premium® Judge Personal Defense Ammo states 1200 FPS in #4 and 000. There are four in the 000 buckshot load.



000 Buckshot has a nominal diameter of 0.360" (9.1 mm) and weighs 70 grains. At 1200 fps comes to 223.8 ft·lb per pellet (that is more than any .380 ACP load) With four 000 pellets that totals up to a respectable 895.2 ft·lb of energy at least on paper. At the very least it is four 1200 fps 70gr 000 buckshot making 223.8 ft·lb each shot and five fit in the Governor.



To me that sounds better than any .380 ACP and any lesser caliber in a handgun.


I'm a little late into this already dead discussion but I'll say a couple of things:



1) This Federal Premium 2 1/2" 000 Personal Defense load is not bad. It contains 4 000 pellets rather than the usual 3 found in most .410 000 buckshot. This load helps legitimize the potential for HD in my opinion. You fire off a few rounds of this and the mission should be accomplished.



2) I've got two girls and their walls are within striking distance if my 9mm or .357 missed the BG. Plus, I'd feel better with this in the hands of my wife versus the other two handguns. Her probability of missing is much greater than mine and this would be a good choice.



3) I live in Phoenix and we don't wear much clothing. Anyway, 80% of the nights require light clothing so we don't need to penetrate through some of those bulky jackets that other city folk must wear. The soft tissue damage plus the damage from the pellets should work fine. If you hit somebody in the face, throat, groin, etc... with this it should be game over.



4) If I purchased one, I would it for the .410 shot. I might put one .45 in for good measure though.



Does this achieve the ultimate penetration levels that many have come to believe are the be all and end all of self-defense? No!! Is this the perfect HD weapon? No!! Does it have a purpose in HD? Yes!! In my opinion, there are situations where this would be a good solution. And I might just purchase one at some point.



Regarding the BoxofTruth test ... it was interesting but I think it actually helps. Put in the better .410 load and multiply those hits with 4 pellets each and you should fare pretty well in a gun fight.



Edit: If I were to buy this type of weapon it would definitely be the S&W version and not the Taurus.
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